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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 261311" data-attributes="member: 3801"><p>"Really, it all boils down to this. Someone asked could you do it, the answer is no..."</p><p></p><p>That's where you are flat wrong. It is their game, and they can give him a BAB of +306 if they wanted to. The original point of the question as I read is was asking if there was a method already built-in that would allow this. There is, it is the spell Wish. Wish allows anything the GM wants it to. The GM needs to weigh the effects of +1 BAB for a 21st level character versus the cost of casting Wish and the implications to his game. If he finds that +1 BAB will not imbalance his game he can allow it. If he finds that +1 BAB will cause problems, then he can say no. That's all that really needs to be addressed here. So far I can't see any valid arguments for +1 BAB causing imbalance at 21st level, but of course I'm not involved in the game so I don't know any details. Just a glance at average "game conditions" though I wouldn't say that +1 BAB is unbalancing, and that's what the previous example I posted shows.</p><p></p><p>"2) Once again, if it's such a trivial attack, why throw a fit?"</p><p></p><p>Well, no one is really throwing a fit. You seem to be focusing on WHY he wants +1 BAB, while the question is something different. Why he wants it is irrelevant. The questions are: 1) Can he do it and 2) If he can, does that hurt the game?</p><p></p><p>Well, my answers are:</p><p></p><p>1) Yes he can, since Wish allows for ANYTHING (although asking for too much can be dangerous, just like it says in the spell description).</p><p></p><p>2) I don't think it makes much difference at all when you are a 21st level party. The monsters you are fighting will have a high enough AC or other magical abilities to offset any benefit gained. </p><p></p><p>Don't worry about why he wants to do it, it doesn't matter. I've even said that I wouldn't do it, but if he wants too then go for it. For the GM in question he needs to take all the information available and decide if it unbalances HIS game. If he feels that it doesn't, the Wish spell allows a legal in-game method to achieve the goal, as opposed to doing out-of-game alterations.</p><p></p><p>Unless you can show that my copy of Wish is wrong or that there's a serious unbalancing effect caused by having a 5% chance (or less) of hitting a creature then we'll just have to agree to disagree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 261311, member: 3801"] "Really, it all boils down to this. Someone asked could you do it, the answer is no..." That's where you are flat wrong. It is their game, and they can give him a BAB of +306 if they wanted to. The original point of the question as I read is was asking if there was a method already built-in that would allow this. There is, it is the spell Wish. Wish allows anything the GM wants it to. The GM needs to weigh the effects of +1 BAB for a 21st level character versus the cost of casting Wish and the implications to his game. If he finds that +1 BAB will not imbalance his game he can allow it. If he finds that +1 BAB will cause problems, then he can say no. That's all that really needs to be addressed here. So far I can't see any valid arguments for +1 BAB causing imbalance at 21st level, but of course I'm not involved in the game so I don't know any details. Just a glance at average "game conditions" though I wouldn't say that +1 BAB is unbalancing, and that's what the previous example I posted shows. "2) Once again, if it's such a trivial attack, why throw a fit?" Well, no one is really throwing a fit. You seem to be focusing on WHY he wants +1 BAB, while the question is something different. Why he wants it is irrelevant. The questions are: 1) Can he do it and 2) If he can, does that hurt the game? Well, my answers are: 1) Yes he can, since Wish allows for ANYTHING (although asking for too much can be dangerous, just like it says in the spell description). 2) I don't think it makes much difference at all when you are a 21st level party. The monsters you are fighting will have a high enough AC or other magical abilities to offset any benefit gained. Don't worry about why he wants to do it, it doesn't matter. I've even said that I wouldn't do it, but if he wants too then go for it. For the GM in question he needs to take all the information available and decide if it unbalances HIS game. If he feels that it doesn't, the Wish spell allows a legal in-game method to achieve the goal, as opposed to doing out-of-game alterations. Unless you can show that my copy of Wish is wrong or that there's a serious unbalancing effect caused by having a 5% chance (or less) of hitting a creature then we'll just have to agree to disagree. [/QUOTE]
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