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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 263837" data-attributes="member: 3801"><p>First, no GM who values the enjoyment of his players should allow a decision made without full knowledge of the facts to stand firm, with no examination at all.</p><p></p><p>Second, you should probably get more information on the issue at hand before you attack people.</p><p></p><p>The decisions made up to this point were made under the assumption that BAB would increase for the next 20 levels as they had for the previous 20. Those rules were changed when the ELH was released. I don't think the player is disappointed with his decisions up to this point - only that his goals cannot now be achieved because of the change in attack calculation. Any GM who says at that point, "Nope, that's tough- sucks to be you" needs to examine why he plays the game. Not every player desire can be filled due to game balance issues, but the request should at least be entertained if just briefly. </p><p></p><p>Each GM is different, though. While I don't think +1 BAB at 21st level makes much of a difference, another GM might have other plans. It's up to the GM to make those decisions. The person here just wanted to know the effects of increasing BAB by one, and if there was in in-game method to do so (i.e. Wish). </p><p></p><p>Last, Pit Fiend said, "Actually a wish DOES NOT allow for anything, it's power is not infinite. It does allow for anything that's comparable to a 9th level spell or lower (or is it 8th and lower?). There are spells more powerful than wishes, like 10th+ level spells (either epic or lower spells metamagicked up past 9th level). A wish could not duplcate such spells by itself, so there are limits to wish, afterall it's "only" 9th level."</p><p></p><p>Actually, the Wish spell lists those effects as specific things Wish can do with no danger, guaranteed. The spell description then goes on to say, "You may wish for greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. Such a wish gives you the opportunity to fulfill your request without fulfilling it completely." So you could in fact Wish for literally ANYTHING. It's just dangerous, and up to the GM what nasty things happen to you, if any. You could Wish to be immortal (which isn't included as a specific power of Wish, but is possible). Of course, most GMs would grant your Wish with a permanent Stasis or perhaps an Imprisonment, and voila! you will "live" forever. You could also Wish to have blue skin, which most GMs would just allow to happen (since usually being blue is it's own punishment). In the end it's the player's 5000 XP, and they can Wish for anything. It's the GMs job to decide if the Wish is balanced within the game, and if it's possible in his world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 263837, member: 3801"] First, no GM who values the enjoyment of his players should allow a decision made without full knowledge of the facts to stand firm, with no examination at all. Second, you should probably get more information on the issue at hand before you attack people. The decisions made up to this point were made under the assumption that BAB would increase for the next 20 levels as they had for the previous 20. Those rules were changed when the ELH was released. I don't think the player is disappointed with his decisions up to this point - only that his goals cannot now be achieved because of the change in attack calculation. Any GM who says at that point, "Nope, that's tough- sucks to be you" needs to examine why he plays the game. Not every player desire can be filled due to game balance issues, but the request should at least be entertained if just briefly. Each GM is different, though. While I don't think +1 BAB at 21st level makes much of a difference, another GM might have other plans. It's up to the GM to make those decisions. The person here just wanted to know the effects of increasing BAB by one, and if there was in in-game method to do so (i.e. Wish). Last, Pit Fiend said, "Actually a wish DOES NOT allow for anything, it's power is not infinite. It does allow for anything that's comparable to a 9th level spell or lower (or is it 8th and lower?). There are spells more powerful than wishes, like 10th+ level spells (either epic or lower spells metamagicked up past 9th level). A wish could not duplcate such spells by itself, so there are limits to wish, afterall it's "only" 9th level." Actually, the Wish spell lists those effects as specific things Wish can do with no danger, guaranteed. The spell description then goes on to say, "You may wish for greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. Such a wish gives you the opportunity to fulfill your request without fulfilling it completely." So you could in fact Wish for literally ANYTHING. It's just dangerous, and up to the GM what nasty things happen to you, if any. You could Wish to be immortal (which isn't included as a specific power of Wish, but is possible). Of course, most GMs would grant your Wish with a permanent Stasis or perhaps an Imprisonment, and voila! you will "live" forever. You could also Wish to have blue skin, which most GMs would just allow to happen (since usually being blue is it's own punishment). In the end it's the player's 5000 XP, and they can Wish for anything. It's the GMs job to decide if the Wish is balanced within the game, and if it's possible in his world. [/QUOTE]
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