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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6081385" data-attributes="member: 1465">Looking at Chris_Nightwing excellent list, I can imagine some of these spells might have their ST changed:I am still not sure about Fear spells... in one way a "powerful personality" (Cha) seems just what you need to avoid being frightened, but in another way perception (Wis) might help understanding that the threat is not real.This is quite a stretch, but some lightning spells might be redefined as unavoidable by dodging (a little more realistic) so that Dex is replaced by Con ST.This definitely sounds like a compulsion (forcing actions to the victim) rather than a charm (tricking the victim's perception) so why not Cha ST just like Dominate?Well this is Dex because it used to be a ray but in 5e rays are just going to be spells requiring a magical attack. The victim already benefits from Dex to AC (unless armor bla bla...) so why another Dex ST? Why not CON?This could have definitely been a Str ST to break free, but I understand that the "mind-controlling" nature of this spell is very traditional and so I'd keep it. However, it could still switch to a Cha ST.Another candidate for Cha, IMHO of course.As already suggested, Int could very well become the default ST against Illusions.In 3e the main ST was Fortitude, and the Wis ST was for disorientation... I wonder how it got changed this time. I think Con is more appropriate than Wis for the transformation itself, but also Str might work, although it's quite a stretch.Could have been Cha. I guess there is now some ambiguity when it comes to willpower.Well this is just wrong... can you dodge a thunder? "Forceful" clearly suggests a Str ST here!Dex and Str need to be featured here to break free, but honestly if Str is going to be allowed only as a check rather than a ST it doesn't really matter.These changes may shift the balance from 0-16-12-0-13-5 to 3-13-14-1-8-10, not much of a change, but if many Illusions change to Int ST then the balance will be quite a lot improved. Then spells such as Bigby's xyz-ing hand would definitely have a Str ST.</blockquote>

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