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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6120156" data-attributes="member: 58197">Part of the problem is that people have expectations that certain stats will be used for certain types of saves. I'd be okay with Charisma being used for &quot;willpower&quot; saves, but I think it would throw a lot of 3E/Pathfinder players for a loop.So I think a good solution would be to look for unusual cases where expectations aren't so entrenched. I've already mentioned using Charisma to save against energy drain, or the D&amp;DN equivalent (loss of maximum hit points). In general, I'd suggest using Charisma as the defense against &quot;soul-killer&quot; attacks; things that assault your essence or cause fear/despair. These attacks tend to be extremely nasty, so even if you don't have to use Charisma as often, you'll be very glad you have it.Strength, of course, should be the go-to saving throw against forced movement and restraints. I'm not as concerned about Strength because it's used for encumbrance and is the default melee combat stat. So many classes use Strength that IMO it's less of a problem if some classes (e.g., wizards) feel free to dump it.That leaves Intelligence. The obvious choice here is to make Intelligence the anti-illusion save, but not a lot of monsters use illusions, and the consequences of failing an illusion save are seldom dire. More interesting would be Intelligence as the anti-psionics save. Aberrations tend to pack a lot of psionic abilities and many of them are pretty nasty, and it would add a nice touch of distinctiveness to psionics as compared to magic. Yet another avenue to explore would be using Intelligence instead of Dexterity for initiative; this would have the side benefit of slightly reducing the overwhelming value of Dexterity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6120156, member: 58197"] Part of the problem is that people have expectations that certain stats will be used for certain types of saves. I'd be okay with Charisma being used for "willpower" saves, but I think it would throw a lot of 3E/Pathfinder players for a loop. So I think a good solution would be to look for unusual cases where expectations aren't so entrenched. I've already mentioned using Charisma to save against energy drain, or the D&DN equivalent (loss of maximum hit points). In general, I'd suggest using Charisma as the defense against "soul-killer" attacks; things that assault your essence or cause fear/despair. These attacks tend to be extremely nasty, so even if you don't have to use Charisma as often, you'll be very glad you have it. Strength, of course, should be the go-to saving throw against forced movement and restraints. I'm not as concerned about Strength because it's used for encumbrance and is the default melee combat stat. So many classes use Strength that IMO it's less of a problem if some classes (e.g., wizards) feel free to dump it. That leaves Intelligence. The obvious choice here is to make Intelligence the anti-illusion save, but not a lot of monsters use illusions, and the consequences of failing an illusion save are seldom dire. More interesting would be Intelligence as the anti-psionics save. Aberrations tend to pack a lot of psionic abilities and many of them are pretty nasty, and it would add a nice touch of distinctiveness to psionics as compared to magic. Yet another avenue to explore would be using Intelligence instead of Dexterity for initiative; this would have the side benefit of slightly reducing the overwhelming value of Dexterity. [/QUOTE]

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