We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[Mallus]

I’m still processing TLJ after seeing it on Friday afternoon. Right now my reaction is this:

Mark Hamill should get an Oscar nomination for playing Luke Skywalker - a sentence I never thought I would write, except maybe in jest. Best Picture & Best Director nods would not be out of the question.

TFA is the more enjoyable film, TLJ is the better one. Best since the original.

 

[cbwjm]

Nothing brings me more joy than seeing people on the internet complain about social justice warriors after seeing a movie. And it truly was a joy to see such varied representation in this movie, with a lot of female pilots too.

But after seeing the movie, I still have mixed feelings about it. Surprisingly, the deconstruction of the Force and iconic characters from the original trilogy, is what I take the least issue with. These were actually welcome additions to the movie. Its good that they shake things up, and I was genuinly intrigued by the movie's take on the Force. They gave us something new, and constantly defy audience expectation.

But the story was uneven, lots of scenes ultimately don't go anywhere (no pay off), several jokes fall flat, and the editing is occasionally a bit jarring. Some scenes go on too long, or they cut back to something we've already seen, with no real progression of the story. And then some other scenes end too abruptly, and do not allow the scene to settle with the audience (which you need).

This movie has a lot of pacing and editing problems. Plus this not only is a long movie, but it FEELS long. After the whole casino and space race bit, I remembered from the trailer that surely there's still an entire battle on the planet krait with AT-AT's that is supposed to happen. And I honestly thought to myself, how much longer is this going to be? I'm fine with movies that are a bit longer. Sometimes you are so drawn into a movie, that time flies by, and you don't even notice the length. But due to some serious pacing problems during the second act, you really notice that it drags on.

I had a different feeling when watching. I didn't notice how long the movie was at all. At no point when watching did I wonder when the movie was going to finish because I was just so caught up in it.

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[Raith5]

So I’m not sure why Rian Johnson gets the blame for “destroying Luke” or whatever...it was very clearly established in The Force Awakens that Luke had a rogue student who destroyed his academy and then he quit...just walked away from it all. Han explains this to Finn and Rey in the Falcon in the Force Awakens.

So The Last Jedi was just going with what had been established. Not sure why people angry about this take on Luke are directing it at Johnson amd The Last Jedi.

Why did people seemingly go into this movie expecting something other than what Han explained?

Because Hero's come back? Luke cut himself off from the force, he had no idea what was happening but after Rey came to him and even after using the hologram he still moaned. And aside from the deviations from his character in the original series, it set up a problem for most of the Last Jedi (and probably the next film): if Luke doesnt care about the resistance, why should we?

From a storyline point of view he was always going to die in this film, I just found the whole last minute illusion thing it to be too little too late and therefore an unsatisfying end.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Because Hero's come back? Luke cut himself off from the force, he had no idea what was happening but after Rey came to him and even after using the hologram he still moaned. And aside from the deviations from his character in the original series, it set up a problem for most of the Last Jedi (and probably the next film): if Luke doesnt care about the resistance, why should we?

From a storyline point of view he was always going to die in this film, I just found the whole last minute illusion thing it to be too little too late and therefore an unsatisfying end.

Deviations... from his character?

You mean the one who whined all the time, so much it was a oft commented on at the time? Or the one who quit trying after he failed to lift the X-wing? Or the one that gave into the dark side and maimed his father, the one he was trying to save, before pulling back at the end, you know, after the moment of weaknes?

Goodness, I have no idea where this concept of Luke you guys seem to have came from (maybe the books?), but the actions Luke takes in the OT are not those of the hero you seem to idolize.

 

[reelo]

Deviations... from his character?

You mean the one who whined all the time, so much it was a oft commented on at the time? Or the one who quit trying after he failed to lift the X-wing? Or the one that gave into the dark side and maimed his father, the one he was trying to save, before pulling back at the end, you know, after the moment of weaknes?

Goodness, I have no idea where this concept of Luke you guys seem to have came from (maybe the books?), but the actions Luke takes in the OT are not those of the hero you seem to idolize.

Yup, I have a feeling that Luke, infaillible hero, is mainly a trope in the old books.

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[hopeless]

The problem is that without revealing Luke had re-established his academy thereby insuring Rey has someone to complete her training and help her counter Kylo all of this is for nothing!

Just revealing Luke wasn't dying for nothing, would that have hurt the movie?

As it stands is there anything that indicates Luke's force ghost can complete her training even after supposedly killing himself pulling off that stunt?

Sometimes less is more, but seriously why demonstrate super Leia when you could have her rescued by say Admiral Ackbar who sacrifices himself in the process?

Luke wasn't the only one they didn't treat properly so let's not forget that in our haste to claim this is all about Luke ok?

 

[JoeElf]

One thing I don't get is how Holdo goes out in a blaze of glory of self-sacrifice to let the Resistance escape, yet Finn's attempt to take down the big blaster at the end had to be aborted, less he do something somehow immoral, like sacrifice oneself for the greater good? At the time, no one had any idea Luke's image would come and save them all.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So I’m not sure why Rian Johnson gets the blame for “destroying Luke” or whatever...it was very clearly established in The Force Awakens that Luke had a rogue student who destroyed his academy and then he quit...just walked away from it all. Han explains this to Finn and Rey in the Falcon in the Force Awakens.

So The Last Jedi was just going with what had been established. Not sure why people angry about this take on Luke are directing it at Johnson amd The Last Jedi.

Why did people seemingly go into this movie expecting something other than what Han explained?

True, I think a lot of issues brought up here are not about this movie, but actually what TFA already established. I some areas, one might have hoped or expected that the next movie might "fix" things, or give more satisfying explanations, where it seems mostly to gloss over questions raised by TFA.

 

[billd91]

One thing I don't get is how Holdo goes out in a blaze of glory of self-sacrifice to let the Resistance escape, yet Finn's attempt to take down the big blaster at the end had to be aborted, less he do something somehow immoral, like sacrifice oneself for the greater good? At the time, no one had any idea Luke's image would come and save them all.

It wasn’t a question of morality. But Finn’s story isn’t Holdo’s story. Nor was it anyone’s story to be what Rose is to Finn.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

You'd think so. But JJ Abrams doesn't much care about physics:

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/111528/is-takodana-in-the-hosnian-system


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To be fair, neither did/does Lucas.