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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9062964" data-attributes="member: 18">No, it's insulting and sneering trolling on you part, and it's obviously unhelpful. Talking about trying to find optimizations on the internet at the table? That's nothing but trolling. No decent player does that, and the sort who might is going to be a pain on any class. Certainly playing a Champion won't stop them.And it's just nonsense to suggest any D&D class is so hard to play that the average player has difficulty playing a class and role-playing. Obvious, arrant nonsense we all know is untrue.(Some starting players might - but again, starting players tend to be attracted to the more complex and fancy classes, and trying to persuade them to play ultra-simple Fighting Man is a good way to convince them D&D ain't for them.)You absolutely strongly implied that. And again it's nonsense. It's nothing to do with classes. A player who can't do it on a Battlemaster Fighter won't suddenly become capable of doing it on a Champion.This is laughable self-victimization. Pretending "beer and pretzels" == ageing alcoholic just makes a bad joke out of your entire argument - and is rather insulting to people who play that way too.And do you know where the "negative depiction" you're complaining so vehemently about comes from?Defenders of the Champion subclass.There was a very long discussion about it, probably 1-3 years ago (maybe longer, who knows with the pandemic). We got through the "starting character" canard, and defenders of the Champion agreed that, yeah, it's true new players don't usually want to play Fighters, and even when they do, don't want to play Champions. So I and others questioned who does play them then, and the general answer was laid-back dudes who play beer-and-pretzels style, and mostly over 40. And honestly? I can believe it. It kind of settled the discussion.The only other "here's why" example we've been given that I saw was of a gentlemen who literally had brain damage (see upthread). Again this was offered in defence of the Champion class. So these aren't "negative depictions" I've come up with. They're depictions that people defending the Champion subclass suggest are their true experiences. Thus you're mad with the people you agree with, really, not me.</blockquote>

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