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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5567620" data-attributes="member: 92305">Again, you're not considering that the dagger user has to hit, too, in order to get the Speed Attack.&nbsp; It brings down the chances that a Speed Attack will occur considerably.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not a core class.&nbsp; There is a (some say broken) Martial Disciple in a supplement book.&nbsp; Not sure if he has that feature or not, because I've never played 3E D&amp;D.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If there is, it's the Martial Disciple.&nbsp; I'll have to read up on him.&nbsp;I see your point.&nbsp; It's a good one.&nbsp; I don't think it applies to Conan (it might), but it certainly applies to D&amp;D.&nbsp;D&amp;D DMs should beware of this possible balance issue and change their Speed Rule accordingly (maybe normal hand attacks are elligible but do not stack with monk-like feats...or some such).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5567620, member: 92305"] Again, you're not considering that the dagger user has to hit, too, in order to get the Speed Attack. It brings down the chances that a Speed Attack will occur considerably. Not a core class. There is a (some say broken) Martial Disciple in a supplement book. Not sure if he has that feature or not, because I've never played 3E D&D. If there is, it's the Martial Disciple. I'll have to read up on him. I see your point. It's a good one. I don't think it applies to Conan (it might), but it certainly applies to D&D. D&D DMs should beware of this possible balance issue and change their Speed Rule accordingly (maybe normal hand attacks are elligible but do not stack with monk-like feats...or some such). [/QUOTE]

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