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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Theo R Cwithin" data-source="post: 5567867" data-attributes="member: 75712">Simplify things a bit and think about a single attack, with 100% chance to hit; then compare two different speed weapons.  I think the problem become a little more apparent.  If you compare two different speed weapons (eg, shortswords (1d6) to daggers (1d4)),  I believe you'll see a cross-over at which point the lower damage die one has has better  DPR than the greater; in other words, daggers become inherently superior to shorswords when the damage modifier become significantly bigger than the damage die.Think of it this way: consider a dagger with +100 in damage modifiers (strength, magic, whatever), compared to a shortsword with +100 in damage modifiers.  The difference in average damage is 1 point.  But even though both put out effectively the same damage, the dagger has a 25% chance to get in an extra attack each round, compared to the shortsword's 16% chance.  With enough damage mods, the dagger is clearly superior, simply because it has a smaller damage die.This +100 is an extreme case, but I believe this crossover in effectiveness actually becomes an issue somewhere down around +6 or +8, not especially unthinkable numbers-- but I'm not sure on that (I keep munging my estimates).I think that's what the concern is when people  talk about creating abusive builds based on this speed rule.</blockquote>