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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5568935" data-attributes="member: 92305">I don't want to give an extra attack and a chance at a critical at the same time. That seems overkill to me. So, I made it the number below the critical range. Easy to remember. 5% shot of happening with each attack (provided the weapon is smaller than your opponent's).      I love that old rule. There was something about dicing that d6 and then seeing the double come up. It was exciting, like rolling a natural 20 for double damage. That was more exciting than rolling a critical threat then rolling a check to see if the extra damage occurs.      The critical range really has no impact on it. It's a flat 5% chance that the speed check will come up, just like in the 1E AD&D game it was a flat 2.7% chance. I picked the number one lower than the Critical Range because its easy to remember--but every weapon has the same shot at checking for a Speed Attack. Then, instead of comparing speed factors, you just compare weapon size category. All Light wepons vs. Two-Handed weapons get two extra attacks. All One-Handed weapons vs. Two-Handed weapons get one extra attack. And so on. We could limit elligible weapons. For example, the whip would be excluded.With some weapons, you could make a special note (off the top of my head) "A Hunting Spear is rated as a Light weapon when considering Speed Attacks", if you want to give particular weapons more umph.    Well, yeah. Like the original 1E AD&D rule. This way, a dagger gets three attacks against a two-handed great sword but two attacks against a battleaxe. That makes sense to me. The great sword is taking longer to wield and recover before a strike. It gives the dagger user time to get inside and take his extra jab. So, it is about weapon speed. Light weapons are "faster" than One-Handed weapons, and One-Handed weapons are faster than Two-Handed weapons. That's pretty much how the other rule worked out--it just did it in a different way.      I don't think it's that hard. You've got one number that is your Speed Number. And there are only three categories: Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed. You could set the Speed Number to 15 for every weapon. That would be easy to remember.     If you see your Speed Number.... Or, if you see a 15 on your attack throw, you know you're there. Same thing, I think.      I like that part of the first rule, too. But, you, yourself, have a problem with the dagger being used by a 6th level ranger under the first method. With this new method, there is no problem with the 6th level ranger because his chance for a Speed Attack attempt is always 5%--not 25% with the dagger. One of the things I like best about the new rule is that it comes on the attack throw. You attack and know you're getting extra attacks or not almost instantly. There's something that doesn't quite sit right with me on figuring the Speed Attack on the damage throw. It works, true. But, if I had my rathers, I'd rather it be on the attack throw.    I like both rules for different reasons. What to choose, what to choose....</blockquote>

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