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<blockquote data-quote="Nlogue" data-source="post: 3313487" data-attributes="member: 41806">Some great points!&nbsp; I would also argue that another reason the rapier was not adopted for widespread military use is the amount of training required to use it effectively...it was definately an upper class weapon, for those who had the spare time to invest in its study.&nbsp; Any meathead can swing a broadsword at someone, but to dispatch a foe with an elegant lunge takes a bit of training first.&nbsp; I totally agree with your battlefield analogy.&nbsp; Frontline fighting is all about hacking with big'ole pieces of steel.&nbsp; If you stab someone with a rapier on the front line your blade is occupied in ribs for at least a bit and that may cost you your life, and you can't clear space with a rapier the way you can with a halberd.&nbsp; Your point on armor for the battlefield is well put too.&nbsp; I totally agree, the rapier is a duelist's weapon, a bravo's weapon, not for the meat and crunch of all out war. This why I get annoyed in D&amp;D by all the people wearing armor around town in peacetime, or worse, while traveling overland on a quest.&nbsp; It just doesn't make good sense and would be really really cumbersome.&nbsp; I hate when I have to wear armor on stage for a couple hours, much less all day in the sun. Your fantasy example can refute itself you realize.&nbsp; The same world that has purple worms also has powerful magic to imbue a rapier with, which makes it a might more useful than your average pin-prick bit o' steel.&nbsp; But ultimately you're right, if your enemy is that big, you'd rather have a greataxe or broadsword in hand to inflict maximum tissue damage.&nbsp; Mainly, I was only arguing that a rapier is quite lethal against a human, armored or otherwise, and by no means is a step down from the broadsword.&nbsp; Apples and oranges is totally the way to do it.&nbsp; That's what makes fantasy fun!&nbsp; It's funny cause my training and occupation speak to the smallsword and rapier as real killer's weapons, but in D&amp;D all I really want to do is swing a greatsword at someone!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nlogue, post: 3313487, member: 41806"] Some great points! I would also argue that another reason the rapier was not adopted for widespread military use is the amount of training required to use it effectively...it was definately an upper class weapon, for those who had the spare time to invest in its study. Any meathead can swing a broadsword at someone, but to dispatch a foe with an elegant lunge takes a bit of training first. I totally agree with your battlefield analogy. Frontline fighting is all about hacking with big'ole pieces of steel. If you stab someone with a rapier on the front line your blade is occupied in ribs for at least a bit and that may cost you your life, and you can't clear space with a rapier the way you can with a halberd. Your point on armor for the battlefield is well put too. I totally agree, the rapier is a duelist's weapon, a bravo's weapon, not for the meat and crunch of all out war. This why I get annoyed in D&D by all the people wearing armor around town in peacetime, or worse, while traveling overland on a quest. It just doesn't make good sense and would be really really cumbersome. I hate when I have to wear armor on stage for a couple hours, much less all day in the sun. Your fantasy example can refute itself you realize. The same world that has purple worms also has powerful magic to imbue a rapier with, which makes it a might more useful than your average pin-prick bit o' steel. But ultimately you're right, if your enemy is that big, you'd rather have a greataxe or broadsword in hand to inflict maximum tissue damage. Mainly, I was only arguing that a rapier is quite lethal against a human, armored or otherwise, and by no means is a step down from the broadsword. Apples and oranges is totally the way to do it. That's what makes fantasy fun! It's funny cause my training and occupation speak to the smallsword and rapier as real killer's weapons, but in D&D all I really want to do is swing a greatsword at someone!!! :) [/QUOTE]

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