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<blockquote data-quote="GlassJaw" data-source="post: 5020815" data-attributes="member: 22103">Completely agreed.&nbsp; And it's why I would prefer the bard to be a full caster.Of all the classes, the bard suffers the most from the &quot;economy of actions&quot; problem.&nbsp; His main class abilities all require actions to use, and so do his spells.&nbsp; The bard almost has too many things he can do, but none of which define him as a class.On top of that, the majority of his abilities aren't empowering for the player.&nbsp; Sure it's great to give everyone in the party a +1 bonus but the player doesn't get the same feeling that the fighter or wizard does laying the smack down on the bad guys.Bear in mind that this is coming from someone that doesn't mind taking the backseat in the party and playing the buffbot.&nbsp; I found the bard a bit lacking.&nbsp; There were many times where I felt very underwhelmed by the options the bard offered to the party.&nbsp; This usually ended with me shrugging my shoulders and saying &quot;Ok, I guess I use my bard song.&nbsp; +1's for everyone&quot;.So giving the bard a full caster progression will at least give him more spellcasting options.&nbsp; It's also the path of least resistance as far as class design goes.It doesn't address the bard being a lackluster class in general or his economy of actions problem.&nbsp; Ben and I have talked about making the &quot;influential&quot; abilities auras that the bard can select and change more frequently.Good idea.&nbsp; We did that with the monk.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GlassJaw, post: 5020815, member: 22103"] Completely agreed. And it's why I would prefer the bard to be a full caster. Of all the classes, the bard suffers the most from the "economy of actions" problem. His main class abilities all require actions to use, and so do his spells. The bard almost has too many things he can do, but none of which define him as a class. On top of that, the majority of his abilities aren't empowering for the player. Sure it's great to give everyone in the party a +1 bonus but the player doesn't get the same feeling that the fighter or wizard does laying the smack down on the bad guys. Bear in mind that this is coming from someone that doesn't mind taking the backseat in the party and playing the buffbot. I found the bard a bit lacking. There were many times where I felt very underwhelmed by the options the bard offered to the party. This usually ended with me shrugging my shoulders and saying "Ok, I guess I use my bard song. +1's for everyone". So giving the bard a full caster progression will at least give him more spellcasting options. It's also the path of least resistance as far as class design goes. It doesn't address the bard being a lackluster class in general or his economy of actions problem. Ben and I have talked about making the "influential" abilities auras that the bard can select and change more frequently. Good idea. We did that with the monk. [/QUOTE]

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