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Message: <blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4417639" data-attributes="member: 65832">So to see if I get this right, your DBorn Pally (original) has18/12/10/11/13/16You Eladrin Pally (modified) has18/13/12/12/13/15I would do this:10/10/10/8/10/10 (who needs INT) -> 10/10/12/10/10/10STR -> 18 (cost 16, remain 12) [fixed in edit]CON -> 12 (cost 2, remain 10)DEX -> 12INT -> 10WIS -> 14 (cost 5, remain 5)CHA -> 14 (cost 5, remain 0)I now have 18/12/12/10/14/14, which I think I would argue is better than your DBorn std array, but let's point buy the DBorn instead of standard array and see...18/13/10/8/14/16 is a pretty good typical DBorn str-based Pally arrayOld point buy can actually make the exact same array for the D-born Pally as the modified Eladrin Pally, so that certainly seems balanced; depending on your meaning of balance.Again for comparison, the modified DBorn Pally was:18/12/10/11/13/16I would do this as10/10/10/8/10/10 -> 12/10/10/8/10/12. Str to 18 (14, 14 remain)Con to 12 (2, 12 remain) [fixed in 2nd edit]Dex leave (12 remain)Int leave (12 remain)Wis to 14 (5, 7 remain)Cha to 16 (7, 0 remain)= 18/12/10/8/14/16. Now if you compare to the standard point-buy, you'll find that the modified build has only 13 wis where the other had 14. So it seems like this really hurts when you're trying to use both your modifiers, and helps a lot when you aren't using either. Another case worth looking at would be say, a Genasi Pally with STR/INT.10/10/10/8/10/10 -> 12/10/10/10/10/10STR to 18 (14/14) [fixed in 2nd edit]CON to 12 (2/12)DEX -INT -WIS to 14 (5/7)CHA to 14 (5/2)With 2 leftover points, it's hard to say what's worth doing. Wis 15 or Cha 15 are choices, Con 13 and Dex 11 (gets +1 initiative at Paragon, OK, not a very compelling argument...). Probably just put it in Wis or Cha.All under modified: [fixed in various edits]G: 18/12/10/10/14/15E: 18/12/12/10/14/14D:  18/12/10/8/14/16Original pointbuy:D: 18/13/10/8/14/16OK, so it does look like there is still a very slight advantage to having 2 +2s vs none or one, and only a very very tiny advantage to having a single +2 over none, as the Genosi can't really capitalize on the extra STR. What about 16/16/16 builds, instead of 18/16/14 builds... these are doable in the original point buy... will make another post so this one doesn't get even more confusing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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