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We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Dannager

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Said nothing of the sort. Rewording what I actually said and adding your own crappola. I'm done with you. Discussion terminated due to lack of manners.

Why do you sound like you're filling out a compliance form every time someone doesn't handle your words with the feather-soft care you feel they deserve? "Discussion terminated"? Please.
 

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AWizardInDallas

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I don't think for a second that it does, but if that's how you feel don't buy prepared material and build your campaign from scratch - like a lot of people do.

Personally speaking I've often used prepared campaigns as a framework to mold and fit my tastes. Some of the dialogue is a bit tacky and lame, so I spice it up. I often add to, or change back stories, so that they fit what I'm picturing in my head as I read through the chapters.

There's nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable role playing as a certain demographic, but I think you're going way overboard here.

Ugh. I was asked to elaborate. I did that. I recently dropped the published game world I was using and am indeed using my own material.
 

AWizardInDallas

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Why do you sound like you're filling out a compliance form every time someone doesn't handle your words with the feather-soft care you feel they deserve? "Discussion terminated"? Please.

I don't feed trolls. Were someone rude to me in person I would let them know that I know longer wish to speak with them and the reason. Done.
 

MechaPilot

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Ugh. I was asked to elaborate. I did that. I recently dropped the published game world I was using and am indeed using my own material.

I hope you're having fun with your own game world. I know that creating game worlds has been a rewarding experience for me.

I am only recently getting into using published materials (I had not done so until I started DM'ing 5e while working and attending night classes), but I've found that a lot of it works. The biggest issues that I usually have are having to find locations in my game world for the adventures, and having to replace races (like Halflings) that don't exist in my game worlds.
 

Dannager

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I don't feed trolls. Were someone rude to me in person I would let them know that I know longer wish to speak with them and the reason. Done.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a troll. Someone repeating your own words back in a way that suddenly no longer sounds flattering doesn't make them a troll. You can make up whatever excuse you want for avoiding answering the hard questions you're being asked. Hopefully you're honest enough with yourself to acknowledge why you're doing what you're doing, though.
 

Taneras

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Ugh. I was asked to elaborate. I did that. I recently dropped the published game world I was using and am indeed using my own material.

That's fine, but do you think its easier to build what you want from scratch rather than simply changing the transsexual mayor (I believe that was the example) to whatever it is you feel comfortable role playing as?

Table top game creators, so far as I've understood them, have emphasized that they're only building a framework for us to operate within. I recall the first time I heard about this hobby and being bewildered, "Why would you want to keep track of things that computers are already doing (like hit points, damage, speed, etc.)? Then a friend explained that a game is structured, having a mind take the role of the computer allows for a much more open experience because people can adjust to changes were a computer will limit you because the script wasn't written to include that action or behavior. Rules and campaigns are only meant to be guidelines, they're nothing concrete.

If you bought a campaign thinking that it was being sold as some sort of static thing, you're mistaken. Table top gaming is fluid, and its one of the reasons why some people prefer it over playing a computer game where everything is fixed in place.
 
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Dannager

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There's nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable role playing as a certain demographic, but I think you're going way overboard here.

That's because it isn't about him feeling uncomfortable roleplaying as a certain demographic. It's about something much, much larger and more fundamental to his worldview.

And that same fundamental facet of his person is the real reason behind his opposition to anything that proactively addresses the harassment problem in the gaming community. You shouldn't be taking his arguments at face value.

"It's about the potential for abuse!" is about as coherent and honest an argument as, "It's about ethics in game journalism!"
 
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I'm A Banana

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The political aspect is over HOW to stop it and whether or not "The accusation is the evidence". You are OK with that standard. I am not. That is where the political divide stands.

That's not a political divide, it's just an empathy divide. You imagine that some people suffering harassment is a better world than anyone ever being unjustly ousted from a con. That's a position that shows a lack of empathy for the harassed - you don't seem to understand that their suffering could be greater than the suffering of someone kicked out of a con unjustly.

Have they? Literally they will throw anyone out no questions asked if they're accused of harassment?

If so, why was this presented as an innovative idea?

We've got several examples in this thread alone! I don't know that it's being presented as an innovative idea, though some apparently regard it as a very controversial one. A lot of the discussion so far has focused on how it's actually a fairly effective answer to the problem, despite some posters' apparently overblown fears of unjust persecution.

I'm not sure how you could be confused when the article cited in the text is "Tabletop gaming has a White Male Terrorist problem", and is a Tumblr article, not an actual piece of journalism or research. This article has pretty much nothing to do with "Harrasment at cons is bad and we should do what we can to minimize it" and is completely another social justice warrior article, a purely political piece with 0 actual research and 0 credibility.

The thesis of that article - much like the thesis of the OP here - is that harassment at cons happens and is bad. There's some strong language about how bad, but if you remove all that strong language, the position left is "harassment at cons happens and is bad." There's nothing controversial about that thesis. It is something we can all agree on (even if we can't seem to agree about one incident related in the blog post actually happening or about the vilification of the sexual predators the post also does).
 
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Taneras

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You shouldn't be taking his arguments at face value.

I do my best to approach any conversation with the idea that if a statement can be interpreted 2 or 3 different ways that they meant the best and most positive interpretation, not the worst and most negative. Until proven otherwise, of course. It actually works very well and keeps a lot of the bickering and drama down. At least that's been my experience.
 


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