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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6807187" data-attributes="member: 5834">How can you say this? My entire group 'defected' from Pathfinder. That's what we were playing prior to 5E. We all liked Pathfinder. We played it for years buying up all the books. We wanted something new and 5E was more like the D&D we played in the past, so we gave it a try. We all enjoyed it and are playing it now. That's four players in my group. I'm still a vocal Paizo supporter and prefer their modules to 5E modules. 5E offered something Pathfinder does not offer in terms of simplicity to play and run. 5E doesn't have the breadth Pathfinder has, but it hasn't been out near as long.I don't know that I look at things as better. I enjoyed every edition of D&D save one, which I won't rehash as I have no interest in edition warring. I feel as though change is inevitable. You get bored doing the same thing the same way all the time. We all decided a new game system would energize play in our group, so we moved on from Pathfinder. I'm still holding out hope Paizo decides to do something like 5E and simplify their game. I miss playing their APs. I don't enjoy WotC adventures as much. They don't seem to have as much meat to them and aren't as interesting to read. I never quite feel like I've gotten my money's worth with WotC adventures. I always felt like I got more than my money's worth with Paizo APs.Unfortunately, I grew weary of the Pathfinder/3E mechanics. Too easy to min-max. The Paizo crew kept putting broken things in the game that interacted in a fashion to create rule situations that made DMing nightmarishly difficult. I still believe their creative team is better than the WotC creative team when it comes to adventure design and it's not even close. But 5E is a well-designed game that I prefer playing at the moment. Though I am finding that min-maxing in 5E is also very possible, but doesn't have as large a negative impact on the game as it is does in Pathfinder/3E due to all the inherent limitations in the 5E system.I guess I'll add to your experience with Paizo/PF/3E fans that moved to 5E. I thought I had been pretty vocal about my group switching from PF to 5E. I figured there were quite a few of us about.</blockquote>

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