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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6842921" data-attributes="member: 996">Yeah, it happened.&nbsp; The L&amp;L's long since been taken down, but sure, there was a lot of vapor-ware and marketing spin that could be taken like promises, and some more solidly-stated goals that could be taken as such.&nbsp;&nbsp; (Ironically, given the 6-8 encounter/day threads currently fulminating, one of the more definite promises made in an 'L&amp;L' was that there would &quot;crystal clear guidance&quot; on where the at-will (fighter) types and daily (caster) types would balance.&nbsp; And they delivered on that promise.&nbsp; And people are mad at them for it.)It's slightly less useless, and at least doesn't imply snide superiority the way the latter can.&nbsp; Rule in favor of fun.&nbsp; You know your table better than we do.&nbsp; Make the game your own.&nbsp;&nbsp; They're fascicle answers, sure, but not without a grain of useful advice.Yes, I think my 4venger cred still stands.&nbsp; And, yes, I'm happy to accept 5e for what it can already do well, for now while still holding out hope that it'll be able to do more of the thing's we'd like it to going forward.It hasn't been 2 years yet.&nbsp; At least your giving it a chance, and not letting it come between you and those friends.&nbsp; Even if you decide 5e wasn't for you, walk away from it quietly, don't go down that same road that led to the edition war.&nbsp;&nbsp; And, similarly, take a second look when future supplements finally do come out, don't just grumble 'too little too late' and miss out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6842921, member: 996"] Yeah, it happened. The L&L's long since been taken down, but sure, there was a lot of vapor-ware and marketing spin that could be taken like promises, and some more solidly-stated goals that could be taken as such. (Ironically, given the 6-8 encounter/day threads currently fulminating, one of the more definite promises made in an 'L&L' was that there would "crystal clear guidance" on where the at-will (fighter) types and daily (caster) types would balance. And they delivered on that promise. And people are mad at them for it.) It's slightly less useless, and at least doesn't imply snide superiority the way the latter can. Rule in favor of fun. You know your table better than we do. Make the game your own. They're fascicle answers, sure, but not without a grain of useful advice. Yes, I think my 4venger cred still stands. And, yes, I'm happy to accept 5e for what it can already do well, for now while still holding out hope that it'll be able to do more of the thing's we'd like it to going forward. It hasn't been 2 years yet. At least your giving it a chance, and not letting it come between you and those friends. Even if you decide 5e wasn't for you, walk away from it quietly, don't go down that same road that led to the edition war. And, similarly, take a second look when future supplements finally do come out, don't just grumble 'too little too late' and miss out. [/QUOTE]

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