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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6717477" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I think the bigger point is more that it seems unlikely that the shapeshifter could continue to wear armor while in their various &quot;forms.&quot; The Barbarian has 1d12 HP per level in part because it's expected to not wear armor. That's part of why I made the analogy to the Dragon Sorcerer; 2 more faces on the hit die is equivalent, on average, to +1 HP per level. Both the Barbarian and the Sorcerer get bonuses to defenses (Sorcerer is 13+Dex, Barb is 10+Dex+Con) and bonus HP (+1 per level vs. next-higher die over Fighters). The Barbarian further gets resistance to all normal weapon damage (bludgeoning, slashing, and piercing) while Raging.Looking over the actual stuff, this seems to bear out--the class can only wear light armor, and the stated subclass gets the Barbarian armor boost (AC = 10+Dex+Con when not wearing armor). Since the shapeshifting doesn't appear to grant any further defenses*, it would seem (to me) that the proposed class is actually less well-defended than the Barbarian, since it doesn't even have the option of wearing medium armor and doesn't get the damage resistance boost from Rage.*Hardening both arms does give +1 AC, but the class can't use shields at all, so it's only a minor buff IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6717477, member: 6790260"] I think the bigger point is more that it seems unlikely that the shapeshifter could continue to [I]wear armor[/I] while in their various "forms." The Barbarian has 1d12 HP per level in part because it's expected to [I]not[/I] wear armor. That's part of why I made the analogy to the Dragon Sorcerer; 2 more faces on the hit die is equivalent, on average, to +1 HP per level. Both the Barbarian and the Sorcerer get bonuses to defenses (Sorcerer is 13+Dex, Barb is 10+Dex+Con) and bonus HP (+1 per level vs. next-higher die over Fighters). The Barbarian further gets resistance to all normal weapon damage (bludgeoning, slashing, and piercing) while Raging. Looking over the actual stuff, this seems to bear out--the class can only wear light armor, and the stated subclass gets the Barbarian armor boost (AC = 10+Dex+Con when not wearing armor). Since the shapeshifting doesn't appear to grant any further defenses*, it would seem (to me) that the proposed class is actually [I]less[/I] well-defended than the Barbarian, since it doesn't even have the [I]option[/I] of wearing medium armor and doesn't get the damage resistance boost from Rage. *Hardening both arms does give +1 AC, but the class can't use shields at all, so it's only a minor buff IMO. [/QUOTE]

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