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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9103909" data-attributes="member: 18">No, that's a different mechanic. Death by massive damage was you having to take a death saving throw if an individual hit was beyond a certain threshold (50 HP in 3.XE I think). So things like long falls could be fatal.With 5E's extremely high HP totals, getting someone to -50% in a single hit is a bonkers task. It's not really mathematically possible, given the rules, above a certain level (assuming a certain amount of CON, at least). That's there more to murder low and mid level PCs when monsters hit them hard.EDIT - Wait it's -100%? That's even more bonkers!They're different rules with different purposes and different effects. 5E's one does nothing but make people on low health try to avoid big single hits.I think you should be a bit kinder and more realistic about this.You'd describe me as irascible, right? Like, I'll argue with anyone about almost anything if I disagree - sometimes even if I agree.But from 2014 to 2018 here the attitudes were so dismissive and snooty re: anyone trying to critique 5E in a serious way that you couldn't argue with them. Not because they brutally beat you down for stepping out of line - nobody did - but because people mindlessly dismissed criticisms, which, in retrospect were not only correct, but criticisms some of the same people who dismissed them now make themselves.That's not a critique - I strongly support people being willing and able to change their minds!But it is a change. And the change really happened during COVID, that was when 5E went from people routinely dismissing criticism, to wanting to actually discuss it. I don't think it was a result of COVID, but I do think it was partly due to people having played so much 5E that even people who'd been dismissive were starting to see some cracks.</blockquote>

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