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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 9104056" data-attributes="member: 50987">Well, here's a compiled list from the previous 7 pages.&nbsp; THE &quot;TRUE ISSUES&quot; WITH 5EEconomy:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Gold has no purpose/not enough purpose</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Magic item prices aren't listed</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; The resting mechanics</li>
</ul>Combat and Encounters:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Expected number of encounters</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Expected difficulty of encounters</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; combat is uninteresting</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; combat is too simple</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; combat is too complex</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; The caster-vs-martial disparity</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of 4E monsters</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of 4E character options</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of high-CR monsters</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; monster design section of MM</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; no risk</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; combat lacks depth</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the Size rules</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; monsters are boring</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; better rules for encounter design</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; saving throws as ability checks</li>
</ul>Exploration:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of exploration rules</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; darkness and visibility rules</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; skill system doesn't match actual play</li>
</ul>Characters and Leveling:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Subclasses have different leveling structures/complexity.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the monk</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the wizard being too similar to a video game</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; multiclassing rules are &quot;a hot mess&quot;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; multiclassing rules aren't like 4E</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of full classes</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the experience system</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; hit points representing all types of harm</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Ability scores not balanced</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; fighters have too little to do</li>
</ul>Meta:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; People shouting down other peoples' discussions of these issues</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; These issues presented are all subjective, and not 5E specific</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; People not agreeing with other peoples' opinions</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; The players</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Tradition</li>
</ul>Spellcasting:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; not impeded</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; spells kept at the same level of power</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; spell schools poorly implemented</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; everything supernatural is modeled after spells</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; arcane spells lacking creativity/boring</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the simulacrum spell</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the spellcasting being too similar to a video game</li>
</ul>General:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp; The layout of the books.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; The awful index</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; The terrible binding</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; 5E is an &quot;apology edition&quot;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; 5E isn't the game everyone wanted</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; 5E isn't perfect</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Font size</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lacks support for high-level play</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; the game feels rushed</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; Pareto Optimality (shout-out to the economists out there)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; lack of guidance in the DMG</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; no &quot;advanced&quot; version for experienced players</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; too much focus on campaigns, not enough on adventures</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; no Dungeon[SUP]TM[/SUP] or Dragon[SUP]TM[/SUP] Magazine</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">&nbsp;&nbsp; some rules are very specific, others very vague</li>
</ul></blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 9104056, member: 50987"] Well, here's a compiled list from the previous 7 pages. [B]THE "TRUE ISSUES" WITH 5E Economy:[/B] [LIST] [*] Gold has no purpose/not enough purpose [*] Magic item prices aren't listed [*] The resting mechanics [/LIST] [B]Combat and Encounters:[/B] [LIST] [*] Expected number of encounters [*] Expected difficulty of encounters [*] combat is uninteresting [*] combat is too simple [*] combat is too complex [*] The caster-vs-martial disparity [*] lack of 4E monsters [*] lack of 4E character options [*] lack of high-CR monsters [*] monster design section of MM [*] no risk [*] combat lacks depth [*] the Size rules [*] monsters are boring [*] better rules for encounter design [*] saving throws as ability checks [/LIST] [B]Exploration:[/B] [LIST] [*] lack of exploration rules [*] darkness and visibility rules [*] skill system doesn't match actual play [/LIST] [B]Characters and Leveling:[/B] [LIST] [*] Subclasses have different leveling structures/complexity. [*] the monk [*] the wizard being too similar to a video game [*] multiclassing rules are "a hot mess" [*] multiclassing rules aren't like 4E [*] lack of full classes [*] the experience system [*] hit points representing all types of harm [*] Ability scores not balanced [*] fighters have too little to do [/LIST] [B]Meta:[/B] [LIST] [*] People shouting down other peoples' discussions of these issues [*] These issues presented are all subjective, and not 5E specific [*] People not agreeing with other peoples' opinions [*] The players [*] Tradition [/LIST] [B]Spellcasting:[/B] [LIST] [*] not impeded [*] spells kept at the same level of power [*] spell schools poorly implemented [*] everything supernatural is modeled after spells [*] arcane spells lacking creativity/boring [*] the simulacrum spell [*] the spellcasting being too similar to a video game [/LIST] [B]General:[/B] [LIST] [*] The layout of the books. [*] The awful index [*] The terrible binding [*] 5E is an "apology edition" [*] 5E isn't the game everyone wanted [*] 5E isn't perfect [*] Font size [*] lacks support for high-level play [*] the game feels rushed [*] Pareto Optimality (shout-out to the economists out there) [*] lack of guidance in the DMG [*] no "advanced" version for experienced players [*] too much focus on campaigns, not enough on adventures [*] no Dungeon[SUP]TM[/SUP] or Dragon[SUP]TM[/SUP] Magazine [*] some rules are very specific, others very vague [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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