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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9104095" data-attributes="member: 18">This has been the long-term issue with 5E for my main group.Nobody is mad about it or anything. And it wasn't immediately obvious, either. It's just that, we've now played 5E longer than we played 4E, and the combat is just nowhere near as fun. Like, it's not even close.And I'm not saying "BRING BACK 4E!!!!!" or something or RETVRN TO 4E or whatever. I know that's not practical or reasonable and there are elements of 4E even I don't want back - a lot of them combat related (especially immediate actions, high numbers of reactions, and so on).What I'm saying is, 5E's combat could have been made a lot more interesting if they'd designed both the classes and especially the monsters better.Now I will say with 2024, they're not surveying at all on the monsters, and it kind of sounds like, contrary to their total lack of vision re: classes and limited vision re: races (more than classes, though), they do have an actual vision to genuinely improve the monsters, and thus improve combat. But my issue with that is, you're improving only part of the problem. It's like putting better tires, brakes, and similar on a car, but refusing to replace or even really fully tune the rather anaemic and inefficient engine. Will there be an improvement? Yes. But it'll be a fraction of what it could have been.Of the players in my main group, I'd say 4 out of 6 have actually said "I think 4E was more fun" or something close to that.That is very similar to my experience! I am the only one I know IRL following it in any real way - but I am not the only one with critiques and opinions about D&D! Not in the least. One of the other DMs, who is very good, frankly a better DM than me, had multiple cogent critiques of 5E when I spoke to him about the new edition - I suggested he should do the survey. But when I spoke to him again, he'd said he'd looked at the survey, got about two pages into it, and decided "this is just timewasting" (paraphrasing heavily I admit). This is a more serious and better DM than me (imo). I did get him to read one (1) playtest packet, which is the very most I've achieved with anyone lol.Another DM is clearly aware of it and has even sent me a couple of articles about it, but they were outdated and misguided stuff from Bell of Lost Souls or something, and he's never actually looked at the UAs. I'm not saying he needs to either, but like, it's just not something normal DMs are interested in - yet normal DMs absolutely have opinions about the rules, the classes, the monsters and so on!The OGL debacle did get a few more people from my groups talking about it, but mostly in a "Why are WotC being weird?" way, not even mad just confused.</blockquote>

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