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<blockquote data-quote="MuhVerisimilitude" data-source="post: 9107169" data-attributes="member: 7042567">Not at all. It has nothing to do with simulationism. People aren't demanding more rules or want some return to 3.5 or whatever. I don't see where you're getting that from.Real life as a point of comparison becomes highly relevant because there are two irreconcileable opinions.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Everything that is not magical must be realistic, therefore martial characters must suck.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Martial characters in D&amp;D have nothing to do with reality, and need not be shackled by the constraints of realism.</li>
</ul>This is why there also was a temporary detour into dealing with the question of &quot;are Martial characters already realistic?&quot;<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If Martial characters are already realistic then we can argue that any changes we make must be constrained by realism.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If Martial characters are not realistic, then we are free to add other non-realistic things to them.</li>
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[QUOTE="MuhVerisimilitude, post: 9107169, member: 7042567"] Not at all. It has nothing to do with simulationism. People aren't demanding more rules or want some return to 3.5 or whatever. I don't see where you're getting that from. Real life as a point of comparison becomes highly relevant because there are two irreconcileable opinions. [LIST] [*]Everything that is not magical must be realistic, therefore martial characters must suck. [*]Martial characters in D&D have nothing to do with reality, and need not be shackled by the constraints of realism. [/LIST] This is why there also was a temporary detour into dealing with the question of "are Martial characters already realistic?" [LIST] [*]If Martial characters are already realistic then we can argue that any changes we make must be constrained by realism. [*]If Martial characters are not realistic, then we are free to add other non-realistic things to them. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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