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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9107307" data-attributes="member: 63508">You don't have to nerf magic to have grounded martials to work with them. You just have to be honest and open.I remember during the MMORPG boom there were superhero MMOs. And one thing they did was have origin stories as the basis of your heroes power.<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">You had Magic</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">You had Advanced Tech</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">You had Magical Gear</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">You were involved with a Scientific Accident</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">You were an alien or mutant</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Your training some thing to a superhuman level or learned a trick that allows for superhuman feats</li>
</ol>The &quot;issue&quot; that 5e and some fantasy fans want a game with the possibility of many levels without and an allowing some PC to choose a superhero origin but not be beholden to do so for every character.It's why D&amp;D villains tend to be wizards. A fighter villian would likely have a ton of magical gear, forcing that gear into your campaign and into the payer's hands when killed.&nbsp; And any special training or accident could be likely replicated without a villain death. So fighty and sneaky villains and challenges tended to be special, one of a kind, unique monsters. Because 5e doesn't want to predispose elements into your game at all lorewise and a portion of the community don't want to feel compelled to deal with mechanic establishing lore.It's the &quot;I don't know. We can go eat whatever&quot; attitude of lore making.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9107307, member: 63508"] You don't have to nerf magic to have grounded martials to work with them. You just have to be honest and open. I remember during the MMORPG boom there were superhero MMOs. And one thing they did was have origin stories as the basis of your heroes power. [LIST=1] [*]You had Magic [*]You had Advanced Tech [*]You had Magical Gear [*]You were involved with a Scientific Accident [*]You were an alien or mutant [*]Your training some thing to a superhuman level or learned a trick that allows for superhuman feats [/LIST] The "issue" that 5e and some fantasy fans want a game with the possibility of many levels without and an allowing some PC to choose a superhero origin but not be beholden to do so for every character. It's why D&D villains tend to be wizards. A fighter villian would likely have a ton of magical gear, forcing that gear into your campaign and into the payer's hands when killed. And any special training or accident could be likely replicated without a villain death. So fighty and sneaky villains and challenges tended to be special, one of a kind, unique monsters. Because 5e doesn't want to predispose elements into your game at all lorewise and a portion of the community don't want to feel compelled to deal with mechanic establishing lore. It's the "I don't know. We can go eat whatever" attitude of lore making. [/QUOTE]

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