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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9108603" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Why? You have simply said that you posit they are so, but not why they are so. What makes them worthwhile? Why is it good to have annoying tedium and bookkeeping?I mean, the issue here is that stats are stupidly designed, not that we should invent annoying systems to punish people for ignoring stats that were designed without a function.But these exist in order to simply disengage players from, as you say, &quot;foul&quot; behaviors. They are not punished so long as they simply don't do certain things. That is quite a bit different from being punished for failing to do certain things, particularly when those things are mostly bookkeeping.People deride this sort of stuff as &quot;filling out your taxes&quot; for a reason.Yes...I don't question any of that.I'm asking what value that gives. Why this enhances the experience of play. Boiling down your post to its core points, you have simply said, &quot;Yes, it is annoying, but it it still valuable.&quot; But I was asking why and how it is valuable, questions you never answered. Well, apart from the &quot;it gives Strength value,&quot; which as I said is really a condemnation of how bad D&amp;D stats are, not how encumbrance adds value to the experience. We tolerate rules that pose negative impositions because they do something worthwhile beyond the frustration. What is that, for encumbrance? Because the value gained from the price paid looks ever more dubious to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9108603, member: 6790260"] Why? You have simply said that you posit they [I]are[/I] so, but not [I]why[/I] they are so. What makes them worthwhile? Why is it good to have annoying tedium and bookkeeping? I mean, the issue here is that stats are stupidly designed, not that we should invent annoying systems to punish people for ignoring stats that were designed without a function. But these exist in order to simply [I]disengage[/I] players from, as you say, "foul" behaviors. They are not punished so long as they simply [I]don't do[/I] certain things. That is quite a bit different from being punished for [I]failing[/I] to do certain things, particularly when those things are mostly bookkeeping. People deride this sort of stuff as "filling out your taxes" for a reason. Yes...I don't question any of that. I'm asking [I]what[/I] value that gives. Why this enhances the experience of play. Boiling down your post to its core points, you have simply said, "Yes, it [I]is[/I] annoying, but it it still valuable." But I was asking [I]why[/I] and [I]how[/I] it is valuable, questions you never answered. Well, apart from the "it gives Strength value," which as I said is really a condemnation of how bad D&D stats are, not how encumbrance adds value to the experience. We tolerate rules that pose negative impositions because they do something worthwhile [I]beyond[/I] the frustration. What is that, for encumbrance? Because the value gained from the price paid looks ever more dubious to me. [/QUOTE]

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