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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9110218" data-attributes="member: 22779">I think it has very little to do with the mechanics themselves.&nbsp; It really doesn't matter what mechanics you put in front of the players.&nbsp; And, unless the players are groovy with it, I kinda see their point.If I invite you over to watch football and then in the third quarter, switch over to the baseball game every week, you're probably not going to be happy unless you really like baseball.&nbsp; The players want to watch football.&nbsp; I want to watch baseball for a quarter, and then go back to football.&nbsp; They have zero interest in baseball and just want to watch football.&nbsp; So, in the interests of everyone having a good time, I just switched to watching football and not try to sneak in a baseball game.It really is kind of a bait and switch if you pop out a ship to ship combat system that isn't really D&amp;D.&nbsp; Do it once in a campaign?&nbsp; Sure, nobody's going to complain about that.&nbsp; But, if you're running a naval campaign, and you're popping out this mini-game every session or two, I do kinda understand why players aren't interested.&nbsp; I'M interested.&nbsp; Fair enough.&nbsp; But, then again, I love war-games.&nbsp; I enjoy the heck out of them.&nbsp; And, frankly, it took an embarrassingly long time for me to understand why my campaigns kept fizzling.&nbsp; Looking back, I realize now that I should have switched away from ship to ship combat YEARS ago.&nbsp; And, in D&amp;D, it's so easy to do.&nbsp; You can't mount catapults on cogs.&nbsp; They don't work.&nbsp; Ballista?&nbsp; Maybe?&nbsp; But, again, kinda pointless.&nbsp; Add in a rule that ranged combat on ship is wildly inaccurate and cut all ranges by 75%.&nbsp; Poof, all combat starts at nearly boarding range and everyone is happy.&nbsp;&nbsp; Put in a bit that spell casting on water doesn't work very well because open water interferes with magic somehow and cut spell ranges by 75% too.&nbsp; Boom, done.&nbsp; I still get shipboard combat, the players are happy and everything works.Heck, in Scarred Lands, that would be ridiculously simply if you used the Blood Sea - the taint of Titan's blood in the sea makes magic all wonky.&nbsp; There's a million ways to implement this and make it a lot simpler to use.&nbsp; Next time I try to run Ghosts of Saltmarsh, I'm definitely incorporating this.&nbsp; Maybe Procan, God of the Sea, has declared that all magic upon the waves is limited to second level spells or lower.&nbsp; Or limited by range.&nbsp; &quot;A god did it&quot; is as good an explanation as any.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9110218, member: 22779"] I think it has very little to do with the mechanics themselves. It really doesn't matter what mechanics you put in front of the players. And, unless the players are groovy with it, I kinda see their point. If I invite you over to watch football and then in the third quarter, switch over to the baseball game every week, you're probably not going to be happy unless you really like baseball. The players want to watch football. I want to watch baseball for a quarter, and then go back to football. They have zero interest in baseball and just want to watch football. So, in the interests of everyone having a good time, I just switched to watching football and not try to sneak in a baseball game. It really is kind of a bait and switch if you pop out a ship to ship combat system that isn't really D&D. Do it once in a campaign? Sure, nobody's going to complain about that. But, if you're running a naval campaign, and you're popping out this mini-game every session or two, I do kinda understand why players aren't interested. I'M interested. Fair enough. But, then again, I love war-games. I enjoy the heck out of them. And, frankly, it took an embarrassingly long time for me to understand why my campaigns kept fizzling. Looking back, I realize now that I should have switched away from ship to ship combat YEARS ago. And, in D&D, it's so easy to do. You can't mount catapults on cogs. They don't work. Ballista? Maybe? But, again, kinda pointless. Add in a rule that ranged combat on ship is wildly inaccurate and cut all ranges by 75%. Poof, all combat starts at nearly boarding range and everyone is happy. Put in a bit that spell casting on water doesn't work very well because open water interferes with magic somehow and cut spell ranges by 75% too. Boom, done. I still get shipboard combat, the players are happy and everything works. Heck, in Scarred Lands, that would be ridiculously simply if you used the Blood Sea - the taint of Titan's blood in the sea makes magic all wonky. There's a million ways to implement this and make it a lot simpler to use. Next time I try to run Ghosts of Saltmarsh, I'm definitely incorporating this. Maybe Procan, God of the Sea, has declared that all magic upon the waves is limited to second level spells or lower. Or limited by range. "A god did it" is as good an explanation as any. [/QUOTE]

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