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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9112936" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I try to be even handed, I apologize if something I said was taken the wrong way. I made that post before I realized people were so serious about this stuff.&nbsp; I meant no insult but I really see no good answer to what you want.&nbsp; Certainly not from a game like D&amp;D which oversimplifies virtually everything.I did try to make light of the situation in the shovel post, hence the &quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> &quot;.&nbsp; But you really would need a ton of info to know how much you can shovel.&nbsp; There is no constant.&nbsp; So if we had something along the lines of &quot;you can move a square foot of dirt every minute&quot; and I'm envisioning the heavy clay soil around my house that I need a pickaxe to break up before I can shovel much at all, that's not going to work.&nbsp; If I'm envisioning dirt that was recently excavated and quite loose or a sandy beach a square foot a minute is low.&nbsp; Heck, I lived in Arizona for a while, I doubt I could have gotten more than a couple inches with just a shovel.Along the same lines I honestly don't know what kind of information or details people would need about a tent.&nbsp; It keeps you out of the rain, and provides a bit of protection from the elements.&nbsp; It's a piece of waterproof cloth between you and the great outdoors.&nbsp; The last time anything like that was covered was back in the TSR days in the Wilderness Survival Guide where they dedicated a page or so to it.&nbsp; But even then it was just a lot of detail that gave the impression of useful info but it was still up to the DM to decide the current weather.&nbsp; It just added a layer of complexity for the DM when describing the weather.&nbsp; The book also didn't stop the arguments, especially their description of what a &quot;superior&quot; tent entailed in my experience.Which is why I was trying to end the conversation.&nbsp; I don't think the game rules should try to cover everything and IMHO they don't need to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9112936, member: 6801845"] I try to be even handed, I apologize if something I said was taken the wrong way. I made that post before I realized people were so serious about this stuff. I meant no insult but I really see no good answer to what you want. Certainly not from a game like D&D which oversimplifies virtually everything. I did try to make light of the situation in the shovel post, hence the " ;) ". But you really would need a ton of info to know how much you can shovel. There is no constant. So if we had something along the lines of "you can move a square foot of dirt every minute" and I'm envisioning the heavy clay soil around my house that I need a pickaxe to break up before I can shovel much at all, that's not going to work. If I'm envisioning dirt that was recently excavated and quite loose or a sandy beach a square foot a minute is low. Heck, I lived in Arizona for a while, I doubt I could have gotten more than a couple inches with just a shovel. Along the same lines I honestly don't know what kind of information or details people would need about a tent. It keeps you out of the rain, and provides a bit of protection from the elements. It's a piece of waterproof cloth between you and the great outdoors. The last time anything like that was covered was back in the TSR days in the Wilderness Survival Guide where they dedicated a page or so to it. But even then it was just a lot of detail that gave the impression of useful info but it was still up to the DM to decide the current weather. It just added a layer of complexity for the DM when describing the weather. The book also didn't stop the arguments, especially their description of what a "superior" tent entailed in my experience. Which is why I was trying to end the conversation. I don't think the game rules should try to cover everything and IMHO they don't need to. [/QUOTE]

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