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<blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet-7" data-source="post: 9114084" data-attributes="member: 7025282">Nope.&nbsp; But their presence can matter.The group decides to make a trench to defend or whatever before the expected charge at dawn.&nbsp; Insert whatever shovel using task you like.As DM, if they bought a shovel I might give a dc for the timed task which has consequences.What tools do you have?&nbsp; Ok you have a shovel and pick?&nbsp; DC X.&nbsp;No?&nbsp; What do you want to dig with?&nbsp;&nbsp; You have a sword and your hands you said…man the going is beyond slow.&nbsp; You estimate your are unlikely to make it based on the last hour.&nbsp; High dc and disadvantage or one of the two.Oh,&nbsp; you want to use your dagger to fashion a wooden spade?&nbsp; Ok.&nbsp; It will take a little time.&nbsp; Go ahead and roll (athletics, or whatever make sense).&nbsp; The roll is still X but with disadvantage.I as DM make lots LOTS of calls with DCs.&nbsp; Surely you don’t want me doing math looking at each shovel full against the size and estimated volume of the trench?&nbsp; A hard calculation for shovel use?I don’t.&nbsp; But I still like to know the party brought the items, have them listed and are rewarded for preparing to adventure.Now if u want to tell me the shovel full vs volume of trench is cool, don’t tell me you can’t mark off a spent arrow via hash mark. Or maybe you want to say shovel = trench making as an ability and we just assume u always have a shovel.&nbsp; If you like that…ok.&nbsp; I don’t.&nbsp; I prefer some detail for immersion.&nbsp; Others I know will differ.But this is not an all or none thing in my book.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warpiglet-7, post: 9114084, member: 7025282"] Nope. But their presence can matter. The group decides to make a trench to defend or whatever before the expected charge at dawn. Insert whatever shovel using task you like. As DM, if they bought a shovel I might give a dc for the timed task which has consequences. What tools do you have? Ok you have a shovel and pick? DC X. No? What do you want to dig with? You have a sword and your hands you said…man the going is beyond slow. You estimate your are unlikely to make it based on the last hour. High dc and disadvantage or one of the two. Oh, you want to use your dagger to fashion a wooden spade? Ok. It will take a little time. Go ahead and roll (athletics, or whatever make sense). The roll is still X but with disadvantage. I as DM make lots LOTS of calls with DCs. Surely you don’t want me doing math looking at each shovel full against the size and estimated volume of the trench? A hard calculation for shovel use? I don’t. But I still like to know the party brought the items, have them listed and are rewarded for preparing to adventure. Now if u want to tell me the shovel full vs volume of trench is cool, don’t tell me you can’t mark off a spent arrow via hash mark. Or maybe you want to say shovel = trench making as an ability and we just assume u always have a shovel. If you like that…ok. I don’t. I prefer some detail for immersion. Others I know will differ. But this is not an all or none thing in my book. [/QUOTE]

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