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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9114546" data-attributes="member: 6801845">So now we have to have a chart for what kind of material your drinking containers are made of (why stop at beer steins), detailed charts on how much you can dig presumably including adjustments for soil type, details on how easy or difficult it is to get through all types of vegetation, a temperature chart for tents which includes different types of tents, detailed descriptions for all sorts of tools and miscellaneous devices.&nbsp; After all, how can we possibly live if we don't know how much extra weight you can cart around if you don't have rules for wheelbarrows?I'm reminded of the 3.x climbing charts with some of this.&nbsp; They had a chart that gave the DC for climbing based on the type of wall.&nbsp; Problem is, it was still completely up to the DM what the wall was made of and how rough it was.&nbsp; It gave the semblance of simulation, giving DMs and players a sense of it not being DM fiat but it was all an illusion.I remember discussions about the Wilderness Survival Guide from 2E and how useless we thought it was.&nbsp; Yes, you had detailed rules about things like tents, but the rules were not particularly realistic, nor were they helpful.&nbsp; Yes, it had (bad) rules on how strong a wind the tent could stand up against, but again it was all just an illusion because the DM had to decide how strong the wind was blowing.If you want more equipment it always came from supplements mostly made by TSR that never really paid much attention to whether or not the supplements were profitable.&nbsp; The difference now is that WOTC has outsourced all those supplements and they are published on the Dmsguild.&nbsp; If you want more detail, it's still out there, I've purchased a few myself.&nbsp; This is not a &quot;true issue&quot;.&nbsp; It's a problem with people not accepting that the business model has changed and that the supplements are still out there, they're just not published by WOTC.P.S. Has there ever been a guideline for shovels?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9114546, member: 6801845"] So now we have to have a chart for what kind of material your drinking containers are made of (why stop at beer steins), detailed charts on how much you can dig presumably including adjustments for soil type, details on how easy or difficult it is to get through all types of vegetation, a temperature chart for tents which includes different types of tents, detailed descriptions for all sorts of tools and miscellaneous devices. After all, how can we possibly live if we don't know how much extra weight you can cart around if you don't have rules for wheelbarrows? I'm reminded of the 3.x climbing charts with some of this. They had a chart that gave the DC for climbing based on the type of wall. Problem is, it was still completely up to the DM what the wall was made of and how rough it was. It gave the semblance of simulation, giving DMs and players a sense of it not being DM fiat but it was all an illusion. I remember discussions about the Wilderness Survival Guide from 2E and how useless we thought it was. Yes, you had detailed rules about things like tents, but the rules were not particularly realistic, nor were they helpful. Yes, it had (bad) rules on how strong a wind the tent could stand up against, but again it was all just an illusion because the DM had to decide how strong the wind was blowing. If you want more equipment it always came from supplements mostly made by TSR that never really paid much attention to whether or not the supplements were profitable. The difference now is that WOTC has outsourced all those supplements and they are published on the Dmsguild. If you want more detail, it's still out there, I've purchased a few myself. This is not a "true issue". It's a problem with people not accepting that the business model has changed and that the supplements are still out there, they're just not published by WOTC. P.S. Has there [I]ever[/I] been a guideline for shovels? [/QUOTE]

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