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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9116394" data-attributes="member: 23751">The DM just needs to ask for what the PC is doing, rather than accepting requests for rolls like that.&quot;I watch the Duke closely, looking for any tells that could indicate that he is lying.&quot; - active insight.&quot;While we are standing in the room waiting for the Duke to see us, I will look around the room carefully taking in each object.&quot; - active perception.Those are player initiated active insight and perception checks.&nbsp; Alternatively, every time the DM asks the players to roll insight or perception, those are also active checks.&nbsp; Active = roll the dice.&nbsp; Passive = use the passive number without rolling.&nbsp; It doesn't necessarily mean that the players are asking for the roll or initiating the check.I wouldn't.&nbsp; When I talk to people sometimes I am and sometimes I'm not.Again, this conflates active with the players doing something to get a check.&nbsp; All it takes is the DM asking for a roll for it to be active.&nbsp; Even if you assume that the PC is going to be observant during the whole conversation, you don't have to rely on passive numbers.&nbsp; You can ask the player for a roll to see if the PC notices something.That's actually a misuse of the skill.&nbsp; It just plain doesn't function that way. If a player asked me that I'd reply, &quot;That's up to you.&quot;&nbsp; Insight will only reveal if the NPC is nervous or something else that the player will have to interpret himself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9116394, member: 23751"] The DM just needs to ask for what the PC is doing, rather than accepting requests for rolls like that. "I watch the Duke closely, looking for any tells that could indicate that he is lying." - active insight. "While we are standing in the room waiting for the Duke to see us, I will look around the room carefully taking in each object." - active perception. Those are player initiated active insight and perception checks. Alternatively, every time the DM asks the players to roll insight or perception, those are also active checks. Active = roll the dice. Passive = use the passive number without rolling. It doesn't necessarily mean that the players are asking for the roll or initiating the check. I wouldn't. When I talk to people sometimes I am and sometimes I'm not. Again, this conflates active with the players doing something to get a check. All it takes is the DM asking for a roll for it to be active. Even if you assume that the PC is going to be observant during the whole conversation, you don't have to rely on passive numbers. You can ask the player for a roll to see if the PC notices something. That's actually a misuse of the skill. It just plain doesn't function that way. If a player asked me that I'd reply, "That's up to you." Insight will only reveal if the NPC is nervous or something else that the player will have to interpret himself. [/QUOTE]

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