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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8995632" data-attributes="member: 18">Really?Have you never talked to other Discworld fans, or like just on one specific forum or something? It's incredibly common opinion. Especially in Britain. It's particularly often suggested as &quot;the Discworld book you should start with&quot;, too.It's in virtually every top 10 of Discworld books:[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.pastemagazine.com/books/terry-pratchetts-10-best-discworld-novels[/URL][MEDIA=medium]dc0578b9eb1[/MEDIA][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/the-definitive-listing-of-terry-pratchetts-discworld-novels[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://culturedvultures.com/ranking-discworld-books-20-1/[/URL]There are some people who go with Night Watch instead (though more often it's both!):[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://girlwithherheadinabook.co.uk/2023/01/top-ten-discworld-novels.html[/URL]Certainly Men at Arms and Night Watch are also very well regarded, and Feet of Clay fairly well. But Jingo and Fifth Elephant? Those are fairly out-there choices. They're usually top 20 at best.Or look at these forum people rating their top 5 and bottom 5 - note the Guards, Guards fairly frequently is #1:[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.terrypratchettforums.com/threads/5-best-and-5-worst-discworld-novels.7400/[/URL]Anyway, point is, it's an overwhelmingly common opinion the Guards, Guards! is great, and calling it &quot;pretty bad&quot; is really out there. The real question is what order do you put it, Night Watch, and Men at Arms in.I will say I think there's a cultural divide among Discworld fans where some fans just really rag on the earlier books, and some fans do the same for the later ones, and I think that can be a little unfortunate - but is partly because there's a tonal change in Pratchett's writing, as gradually becomes more and more twee and loses its edge (Vimes also becomes basically Sherlock Holmes, which kind of weakens him as a character imho. A number of other characters, including Vetinari become flanderizations of themselves), whilst also perhaps having some more daring things to say buried under the several feet of twee.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8995632, member: 18"] Really? Have you never talked to other Discworld fans, or like just on one specific forum or something? It's incredibly common opinion. Especially in Britain. It's particularly often suggested as "the Discworld book you should start with", too. It's in virtually every top 10 of Discworld books: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pastemagazine.com/books/terry-pratchetts-10-best-discworld-novels[/URL] [MEDIA=medium]dc0578b9eb1[/MEDIA] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/the-definitive-listing-of-terry-pratchetts-discworld-novels[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://culturedvultures.com/ranking-discworld-books-20-1/[/URL] There are some people who go with Night Watch instead (though more often it's both!): [URL unfurl="true"]https://girlwithherheadinabook.co.uk/2023/01/top-ten-discworld-novels.html[/URL] Certainly Men at Arms and Night Watch are also very well regarded, and Feet of Clay fairly well. But Jingo and Fifth Elephant? Those are fairly out-there choices. They're usually top 20 at best. Or look at these forum people rating their top 5 and bottom 5 - note the Guards, Guards fairly frequently is #1: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.terrypratchettforums.com/threads/5-best-and-5-worst-discworld-novels.7400/[/URL] Anyway, point is, it's an overwhelmingly common opinion the Guards, Guards! is great, and calling it "pretty bad" is really out there. The real question is what order do you put it, Night Watch, and Men at Arms in. I will say I think there's a cultural divide among Discworld fans where some fans just really rag on the earlier books, and some fans do the same for the later ones, and I think that can be a little unfortunate - but is partly because there's a tonal change in Pratchett's writing, as gradually becomes more and more twee and loses its edge (Vimes also becomes basically Sherlock Holmes, which kind of weakens him as a character imho. A number of other characters, including Vetinari become flanderizations of themselves), whilst also perhaps having some more daring things to say buried under the several feet of twee. [/QUOTE]

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