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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 5049786" data-attributes="member: 3400">I don't like healing surges as implemented in 4e, but I do like the second wind rules from Star Wars Saga Edition. The idea of a hero being knocked around and then surging back into the fight is a good and dramatic one. But 4e terribly cheapens it by making it so easy to invoke and frequently used. SWSE limits it to once a day when at half max hp or fewer (in 4e terms, bloodied). I like that much better.4e then compounds the problem by having healing potions use the PC's own healing surges to heal up.The one bright spot with 4e healing surges that I can see is the paladin's laying on of hands. I think it's pretty cool that a paladin sacrifices his own healing ability to heal others. But that's not enough for me to keep the system.If I had my druthers, I'd limit the healing surge to once a day when bloodied. But I'd also include feats/daily utility powers that allow one additional surge/day like SWSE does (I think you can get up to 2 extras with a talent and a feat).I wouldn't have leader healing powers use the target's healing surge. I'd just make them encounter powers (or twice/encounter powers such as they are) with a limit on how often they can be used on a single target per short rest. I'd also build some dailies that do significantly greater healing (2-3x surge value).Healing potions and other magic wouldn't run off anyone's healing surges. They'd just add hp.I think the surge value of 1/4 max hp would still be valuable. I'd base all leader healing powers on some multiple of the target's surge value. I'd do the same with all healing potions (no burning a healing surge to gain back fewer hp than using a surge).And since Rocky Balboa usually comes back swinging hard when he surges, I'd give the PC an offensive as well as defensive bonus when he surges.</blockquote>

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