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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 7926409" data-attributes="member: 72555">For Small, I'd have more than 4 in 2x2 squares; small creatures can fit in less than a 5' square.  Say 6.Second, have in vulnerability to area effect damage instead of resistance to slash/pierce/bludgeon.  So a fire bolt isn't 2x damage over an arrow.A Large swarm of Small X would be 6 goblins.Give it 5x HP.  Give it 2x damage and 2 attacks, plus creatures who move adjacent or start their turn have to make a save or take 1x damage.Large Swarm of Small (2x2 squares, 6 creatures): 5x HP, 2x damage, 2 attacks, 1x aura, 3x rangeHuge Swarm of Small (3x3 squares, 12 creatures): 10x HP, 4x damage, 2 attacks, 2x aura, 6x rangeGargantuan Swarm of Small (5x5 squares, 32 creatures):  30x HP, 5x damage, 4 attacks, 5x aura, 10x range (5x5 area)DCs and attack accuracy would also go up as the CR does.Mob of GoblinsLarge (Huge/Gargantuan 5x5) swarm of Small humanoids (goblinoid)AC: 13 (15 w/ shields)HP: 35 (70/210)Vulnerability: spells that deal damage over more than 1 square of the MobSwarm: can occupy other creatures spaces, cannot regain HP or gain THP, can take 2 reactions (3,4) (no more than 1 per turn)Nimble Escape: can take Disengage or Hide as a bonus actionPack tactics: has advantage on melee attacks against any creature occupying its space.Knives everywhere: if you start your turn within 5' of the Mob, or move within 5' for the first time on a turn, you must make a DC 12 dex save or take 1d6+2 (5) (2d6+2 (9)/5d6+2 (19)) piercing damage.  If the Mob has attacked you since the end of your last turn you have disadvantage on your save.Actions:Mob: Make two Shortsword Attacks (two/four)Shortswords: +4 to hit; 2d6+2 (9) P (4d6+2 (16)/5d6+2 (19))Shortbows: target must make a DC 12 Dex save or take 3d6 (10) piercing (6d6 (21)/10d6 (35) 5x5 area), or half on a success.Now lets try to balance them against just raw goblins.Defensive CR: 1/8, 1/4, 5Offensive CR: 4, 6, 15Overall CR: 2, 3, 10XP: 450, 700, 5900Adjusted XP of "raw" Goblins: 300, 1000, 4000CR if we hit Adjusted XP: 1.5, 4, 8N^(3/2) Adjusted XP: 367, 1039, 4525Target offensive CR: 4, 8, 11DPR to hit target XP: (good) / 65 / 95Revised:Knives everywhere: if you start your turn within 5' of the Mob, or move within 5' for the first time on a turn, you must make a DC 12 dex save or take 1d6+2 (5) (2d6+2 (9)/5d6+2 (19)) piercing damage.  If the Mob has attacked you since the end of your last turn you have disadvantage on your save.Actions:Mob: Make two Shortsword Attacks (three/three)Shortswords: +4 to hit; 2d6+2 (9) P (4d6+2 (16)/5d6+2 (19))Shortbows: target must make a DC 12 Dex save or take 3d6 (10) piercing (6d6 (21)/10d6 (35) 5x5 area), or half on a success.New CR: 2, 4, 8and these "Mobbed" goblins are worth "as much" as just using individual goblins.I might be tempted to add in a "break up" rule as well.Morale Failure: If the Mob starts with 10 / 20 / 60 HP or less, it breaks into individual goblins. For every 5 HP or fraction an individual Goblin (CR 1/8) is created in the space. 1d2 / 1d4 / 1d12 of them attempt to flee each turn, the remainder fighting back.Or evenDownsized: If the Mob is reduced below 5/35/70 HP, it transforms into a single goblin/a large mob of goblins/a huge mob of goblins. When it does so it has to make a will saving throw against a DC equal to 10+1/2 of the damage that reduced its size or become frightened.</blockquote>

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