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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8861162" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Unclear to me what the intent is of this post or if I'm included in the target audience, but my response to this post lies in my post just upthread.I feel neither annoyed nor cheated nor &quot;back in my day HARRUMPH-ey&quot; by a &quot;dungeon play&quot; (lets call it) experience that isn't about logistical management of a dangerous obstacle course via tightly systemitized turn-based exploration + a countdown clock (like The Grind or Light in Torchbearer or Wandering Monsters in Moldvay Basic) + difficult inventory management and loadout decisions + harsh to negotiate attrition model + consequences with teeth at multiple layers of play + the imperative of deft management of multiple types of resources to even survive the through line of play + difficult decisions around an advancement scheme that requires failure (in a game that brutally punishes failure...thereby creating complex incentive structures).When I run games, my apex priority is &quot;game as game&quot; and, specifically, the game I'm running right now (I don't run Torchbearer to get a Mouse Guard experience nor D&amp;D 4e to get a Dogs in the Vineyard experience nor Blades in the Dark to get a Stonetop experience etc).&nbsp; So when it comes to a &quot;dungeon crawler&quot;, I want play to constantly feature layered, interesting, impactful decision-points and consequences that create a particular type of thematically-potent challenge experience right now and through the longitudinal experience of both the entire crawl and the play loop at large (so like in Torchbearer, you're talking Town Phase &gt; Journey Phase &gt; Adventure Phase &gt; Camp Phase &gt; Adventure Phase &gt; Journey Phase &gt; Town Phase).&nbsp; There are designs for that.&nbsp; And there are designs that take that away and, in its stead, provide an alternative &quot;dungeon play&quot; experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8861162, member: 6696971"] Unclear to me what the intent is of this post or if I'm included in the target audience, but my response to this post lies in my post just upthread. I feel neither annoyed nor cheated nor "back in my day HARRUMPH-ey" by a "dungeon play" (lets call it) experience that isn't about logistical management of a dangerous obstacle course via tightly systemitized turn-based exploration + a countdown clock (like The Grind or Light in Torchbearer or Wandering Monsters in Moldvay Basic) + difficult inventory management and loadout decisions + harsh to negotiate attrition model + consequences with teeth at multiple layers of play + the imperative of deft management of multiple types of resources to even survive the through line of play + difficult decisions around an advancement scheme that requires failure (in a game that brutally punishes failure...thereby creating complex incentive structures). When I run games, my apex priority is "game as game" and, specifically, the game I'm running right now (I don't run Torchbearer to get a Mouse Guard experience nor D&D 4e to get a Dogs in the Vineyard experience nor Blades in the Dark to get a Stonetop experience etc). So when it comes to a "dungeon crawler", I want play to constantly feature layered, interesting, impactful decision-points and consequences that create a particular type of thematically-potent challenge experience right now and through the longitudinal experience of both the entire crawl and the play loop at large (so like in Torchbearer, you're talking Town Phase > Journey Phase > Adventure Phase > Camp Phase > Adventure Phase > Journey Phase > Town Phase). There are designs for that. And there are designs that take that away and, in its stead, provide an alternative "dungeon play" experience. [/QUOTE]

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