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What didn't people like about Greyhawk From the Ashes?
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<blockquote data-quote="grodog" data-source="post: 3415862" data-attributes="member: 1613"><p>They're two separate issues: </p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Per Lisa, historically, WotC didn't kill GH setting support because GH wasn't selling, they killed GH as a marketing decision to focus on the FR and Eberron settings (i.e., GH can pull its own weight in sales). The market perception, however, has been that GH can't pull its own weight (especially in comparison to FR, and by extention Eberron [since, afterall, WotC published this new setting instead of reviving an older one]), which is why it was dropped like an Amazing Engine hot potato. Your post above sums up this perception nicely:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Lisa's quotation clearly refutes the perception that GH can't equal FR sales as 100% false. I have no argument with your contention that WotC will always go with the higher-ROI product (hence their plastic miniatures lines...), just the assumption underlying it that GH is a second-class setting that can't go toe-to-toe with FR. WotC testing those waters with a product like EttRoG obviously shows that they're willing to roll the dice with one book, at least, which segues to point #2 that</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Obviously GH has an audience (Paizo's run-away success with Age of Worms, Maure Castle, Savage Tides, etc.), and WotC wants every possible member of that audience to buy the new Expedition to the Ruins of GH book, which---if it sells well/better than expected/goes OOP immediately/whatever the WotC success criteria beyond immediate ROI are for the book---<em>may</em> mean that WotC revisits decision #1 and begins to support GH as a setting once more (it happened before in 1998, so it can certainly happen again). That's my positive-spin on WotC's D&D Experience comments; my negative-spin is WotC's trying to get everyone to possible buy the book and to do so they're tossing out this "buy this book or else no more GH, ever" veiled threat to drive fans into buying additional copies as a show of faith or support for the setting they love). </li> </ol><p></p><p>So, I'm certainly hoping that EttRoG sales skyrocket, and that Paizo continues to support the setting, and that WotC begins to do so once more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grodog, post: 3415862, member: 1613"] They're two separate issues: [list=1] [*]Per Lisa, historically, WotC didn't kill GH setting support because GH wasn't selling, they killed GH as a marketing decision to focus on the FR and Eberron settings (i.e., GH can pull its own weight in sales). The market perception, however, has been that GH can't pull its own weight (especially in comparison to FR, and by extention Eberron [since, afterall, WotC published this new setting instead of reviving an older one]), which is why it was dropped like an Amazing Engine hot potato. Your post above sums up this perception nicely: Lisa's quotation clearly refutes the perception that GH can't equal FR sales as 100% false. I have no argument with your contention that WotC will always go with the higher-ROI product (hence their plastic miniatures lines...), just the assumption underlying it that GH is a second-class setting that can't go toe-to-toe with FR. WotC testing those waters with a product like EttRoG obviously shows that they're willing to roll the dice with one book, at least, which segues to point #2 that [*]Obviously GH has an audience (Paizo's run-away success with Age of Worms, Maure Castle, Savage Tides, etc.), and WotC wants every possible member of that audience to buy the new Expedition to the Ruins of GH book, which---if it sells well/better than expected/goes OOP immediately/whatever the WotC success criteria beyond immediate ROI are for the book---[i]may[/i] mean that WotC revisits decision #1 and begins to support GH as a setting once more (it happened before in 1998, so it can certainly happen again). That's my positive-spin on WotC's D&D Experience comments; my negative-spin is WotC's trying to get everyone to possible buy the book and to do so they're tossing out this "buy this book or else no more GH, ever" veiled threat to drive fans into buying additional copies as a show of faith or support for the setting they love). [/list] So, I'm certainly hoping that EttRoG sales skyrocket, and that Paizo continues to support the setting, and that WotC begins to do so once more. [/QUOTE]
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