What Do Artists Get Paid?

Nellisir

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If a publisher is looking for a bunch of 2"x2" b&w illos for monsters, what's a reasonable price and what's insulting? What about color? Larger illustrations (covers, or interior plates?). Some idea of industry standards or guidelines would be very helpful...

Thanks
Nell.
Who really, honestly, probably doesn't have anything up his sleeve.
 

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I recall seeing one company's website that offered $50 for full-page black & white illos, $100 for color. This would work out to about $10 per 2"x2" black & white illo. For Natural 20 Press it depends on the project, and how much art we're assigning for it. The exact figures are the kind of high-level corporate stuff that we can't share, or else we'd have to kill you (just kidding).

Still, I don't want to post the actual prices we can afford to pay, because I don't want to potentially offend an artist who might eventually end up working for us at a lower rate. We can kinda guess how well certain books will sell compared to our other, previous books, and so we have to guess what we'll be able to afford on each project.

I know one thing, though. If I'd known that Tournaments, Fairs, & Taverns was going to be the #2 best seller at RPGNow.com, I would've probably tried to get more art for it than just 7 pieces. :)
 

Nellisir said:
If a publisher is looking for a bunch of 2"x2" b&w illos for monsters, what's a reasonable price and what's insulting? What about color? Larger illustrations (covers, or interior plates?). Some idea of industry standards or guidelines would be very helpful...

Thanks
Nell.
Who really, honestly, probably doesn't have anything up his sleeve.

For interior black and white illustrations I pay $25+. I print in digest format, so you're looking at artwork that appears in an area some 4" x 6" at most. Depending on the detail you are looking for, you may not be able to get a deep "discount" based upon size. It's really about the detail involved and method of production that drives price. If you're looking for small spot illustrations with few details, then you can get them cheaper than, say, pictures of NPCs.

You should visit the Freelancing and Freelancers board at www.rpg.net. There are a ton of talented artists there who could help you out..
 

First, no artist draws in 2"x2" size... all of those monster pictures are shrunken from full page size. If it were actually drawn at only 2"x2", the picture would have little or no detail and probably look terrible.

That said, a monster pic typically has little or no background, which makes it easier to draw. You might get a discount for commissioning several pictures at once, too. I have charged about $30-50 each for the ones I've done, depending upon various things like color/b&w, amount of background, etc . That is about half the industry standard, but I'm just starting out, can't really charge full price yet :). Getting there though...
 

Samurai said:
First, no artist draws in 2"x2" size... all of those monster pictures are shrunken from full page size. If it were actually drawn at only 2"x2", the picture would have little or no detail and probably look terrible.

That said, a monster pic typically has little or no background, which makes it easier to draw. You might get a discount for commissioning several pictures at once, too. I have charged about $30-50 each for the ones I've done, depending upon various things like color/b&w, amount of background, etc . That is about half the industry standard, but I'm just starting out, can't really charge full price yet :). Getting there though...

Well, that first bit might be accurate as to how an artist draws or scales the art but there is a difference in their personal taste of "how to" and what they deliver to the publisher.
We pay in increments of 1/4 page, 1/2 page, and full page for interiors regardless of how the artists decided to actually draw the picture.
The art prices vary greatly. $30 dollars is acutally getting high these days with the average being $25 for a 1/4 page B&W picture. In bulk we go as low as $20 or $15 for a 1/4 page. What I mean by that is we often commit large chuncks of work to one artist and offer a bulk price for the workload. Sometimes even multiple projects. This is a win/ win for everyone.

The only interior artists we will pay more than this for are those that have a big name. People who actually help sell your titles just by being associated with it.

On covers, the prices vary so greatly I can't begin to tell you. We will obviously pay more to a cover artist who has a big enough name to actually draw sales (examples would be Todd Lockwood, Jason Engle, Brom, Larry Elmore, etc), While undiscovered or upcoming talent gets considerably less than those with an industry name. That is not to say they are better or worse artists, just not as popular by name.

There is also a matter of rights. We may adjust the pay scale depending on the terms of the rights for the art. In other words, who owns it, who has a copyright on it, and what can the original artist do with it. I won't go into detail here but generally we seek first rights. We won't pay nearly as much for second rights or recycled art.
We look for full ownership/ rights on logo art and title treatments, etc. so we pay a little more for this in some cases but the artist loses all rights (other than being able to display it in his or her portfolio).

Hope that helps some.
 





Nellisir said:


Same as writers, then?

;-)
Nell.

Hehehe...

*chuckles*

Seriously though, i think that now a days even D20 writers get better payed than artists. Publishers seem to think that art is of less importance, and although i agree on this, there is a difference. No art is better than bad art IMHO, if you want to include art in your product, it better be up to spec. As a wise person once said, you get what you paid for...

btw. I'm not an artist, nor do i aspire to be one (although i like to draw and paint).
 

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