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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3748237" data-attributes="member: 4134">Not necessarily, if those things will be easier to pull of, like making a spell attack against one or more targets and then rolling one die of damage and automatically applying the extra effect. Compare that to 3es Spell-Res, Saving Throw, rolling a handfull of dice, and resolving/calculating the extra effect which such a situation would have involved in 3e.So? He gets his counterattack (whatever that is) and his two arrows he can usually shoot as a standard action. It's quite possible that with those actions/manoeuvres, that would be the same thing at level 30.I don't see a problem with that. In fact, that cries simplification. Compare "I rush there and open a door" to "I move there, and I also want to open the door. Is that a move action? Can I use it as part of my move action if my BAB is high enough? can I do that in a surprise round?" That really is something that should be a perfectly valid option on any level in a surprise round.It sounded as if he got one arrow off as an immediate action/AoO/Counterstrike, and then another two with his standard action.Wasn't one of them bleeding to death and the another badly wounded? If you call that not breaking a sweat I really don't want to see your definition of a real hard encounter. It sounds that more people would want to play classes like this than wanted to play 3e's bard or 2e's <s>bandaid</s> cleric.</blockquote>