What do you want & expect to see in 2024's 5.5e?

[Yaarel]

what is the 'lineage treatment' I think I missed something

In this context, "lineage" means the standard features for any race. Improve any chosen abilities, languages are Common plus one, lifespan typically a century (but can be longer for certain lineages), height-weight is any chosen humanlike physique (so muscular elf, etc, if wanted).

 

[Yaarel]

other then wasteing time, is there a reason. I like the 2 not equal action mechnics... I can use it to make an off hand attack or quicken a spell... but I cant do both

Mearls dislikes the bonus action too.

He suggests rewriting things like two-weapon attack as an action that includes two attacks, rather than an action plus a bonus.


The difference is, the elimination of the bonus simplifies the choices that each player makes per round, thus speeds up the game.

 

[Parmandur]

Mearls dislikes the bonus action too.

He suggests rewriting things like two-weapon attack as an action that includes two attacks, rather than an action plus a bonus.


The difference is, the elimination of the bonus simplifies the choices that each player makes per round, thus speeds up the game.

Beforehand left the public eye, he changed his mind and laid out why the Bonus Action was here to stay on the Mearls Happy Gun Hour. Doubt thst will change any.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Beforehand left the public eye, he changed his mind and laid out why the Bonus Action was here to stay on the Mearls Happy Gun Hour. Doubt thst will change any.

I'm glad. As much as I can understand why people may dislike people taking too much time, I LOVE the idea of a greater and less action

 

[Krachek]

I'm glad. As much as I can understand why people may dislike people taking too much time, I LOVE the idea of a greater and less action

Don’t worry, bonus action will stay. I would not bet on their disappearance!
But I may bet some gold on the disappearance of most short rest recovery for features and slots.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Don’t worry, bonus action will stay. I would not bet on their disappearance!
But I may bet some gold on the disappearance of most short rest recovery for features and slots.

yeah that still makes me sad... but I see it coming too.

I still want the game to be balanced more along the warlock class chassie... 2 subclasses that can mix and match, mini class features that you choose as you level up to customize more, and at will, short rest and long rest abilities.

I even think there should be 4 'simple' pre built level 1-10 builds for the base 4 classes (fighter rogue cleric wizard) that have all of those subclasses mini feature (invocations) and even atwill (cantrip) encounter/daily (spells) picked so you don't make ANY choices with that subclass (like champion)

 

[Vaalingrade]

Stopping every hour to stake the doors and sleep 8 hours in essential to the 'feel of D&D'.

 

[Yaarel]

Beforehand left the public eye, he changed his mind and laid out why the Bonus Action was here to stay on the Mearls Happy Gun Hour. Doubt thst will change any.

I missed that. What did Mearls later say in favor of the Bonus Action?

 

[Yaarel]

yeah that still makes me sad... but I see it coming too.

I still want the game to be balanced more along the warlock class chassie... 2 subclasses that can mix and match, mini class features that you choose as you level up to customize more, and at will, short rest and long rest abilities.

I even think there should be 4 'simple' pre built level 1-10 builds for the base 4 classes (fighter rogue cleric wizard) that have all of those subclasses mini feature (invocations) and even atwill (cantrip) encounter/daily (spells) picked so you don't make ANY choices with that subclass (like champion)

If everyone is on the same rest schedule, the DM can make the rest 10 minutes long, an hour long, 8 hours long, even a week-of-relaxation long.

The resting mechanic becomes ... better ... when there is only one kind of rest.

Personally as DM, the single rest will be strictly when narratively appropriate.



It does seem like 5e is phasing out the short rest − and I approve − but how the Warlock will work remains unclear to me. Will both the Wizard and now the Warlock still have an Arcane Recovery feature to regain spell slots − perhaps now as a 10-minute ritual or something?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

If everyone is on the same rest schedule, the DM can make the rest 10 minutes long, an hour long, 8 hours long, even a week-of-relaxation long.

The resting mechanic becomes ... better ... when there is only one kind of rest.

Personally as DM, the single rest will be strictly when narratively appropriate.



It does seem like 5e is phasing out the short rest − and I approve − but how the Warlock will work remains unclear to me. Will both the Wizard and now the Warlock still have an Arcane Recovery feature to regain spell slots − perhaps now as a 10-minute ritual or something?

I think everyone should have BOTH long and short (along with atwill) so every class has a reason to take each

 

[Yaarel]

I think everyone should have BOTH long and short (along with atwill) so every class has a reason to take each

It seems like 5e is moving toward proficiency-bonus-times-per-day, rather than short-rest-times-per-day.

But putting every class on both long and short schedules is a good solution too.

One advantage of the bonus-per-day is it scales, becoming more frequent, thus more powerful while leveling.


I wonder if the there is a way to benefit from a number of 10-minute-rests-per-day equal to proficiency bonus? Thus combine the concepts of bonus-per-day and short-rests-per-day.

 

[Krachek]

yeah that still makes me sad... but I see it coming too.

I still want the game to be balanced more along the warlock class chassie... 2 subclasses that can mix and match, mini class features that you choose as you level up to customize more, and at will, short rest and long rest abilities.

I even think there should be 4 'simple' pre built level 1-10 builds for the base 4 classes (fighter rogue cleric wizard) that have all of those subclasses mini feature (invocations) and even atwill (cantrip) encounter/daily (spells) picked so you don't make ANY choices with that subclass (like champion)

The resting disparities have generate more complain and whim than LOVE.
I remember Mearls or Crawford saying that they were proud of this resting disparities, that it would allow PC to shine at different pace. The intent is noble, but the overall result didn’t follow. The management of the ´adventuring day´ has been a regular source of dissatisfaction that can be read here. How they will address that in the revision? I don’t know, but from now we should be playtesting solution. 2024 is coming soon.

 

[Vaalingrade]

The management of the ´adventuring day´ has been a regular source of dissatisfaction that can be read here. How they will address that in the revision?

They have 1000% signaled that the answer is 'by making it worse'.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The resting disparities have generate more complain and whim than LOVE.
I remember Mearls or Crawford saying that they were proud of this resting disparities, that it would allow PC to shine at different pace. The intent is noble, but the overall result didn’t follow. The management of the ´adventuring day´ has been a regular source of dissatisfaction that can be read here. How they will address that in the revision? I don’t know, but from now we should be playtesting solution. 2024 is coming soon.

I agree the current system doesn't work

 

[Yaarel]

By the way,

I hope − beg, plead − to rethink spells that have a "costly" gold-piece component. There are various concepts of innate magic in D&D, and none of them make sense when forced to spend money to cast a spell.

Obliterate the costly component from the spell descriptions.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

By the way,

I hope − beg, plead − to rethink spells that have a "costly" gold-piece component. There are various concepts of innate magic in D&D, and none of them make sense when forced to spend money to cast a spell.

Obliterate the costly component from the spell descriptions.

I will do you one better... any spell that takes more then an action to cast should be a ritual and all rituals should have gp cost but no spell/action should

 

[Yaarel]

I will do you one better... any spell that takes more then an action to cast should be a ritual and all rituals should have gp cost but no spell/action should

I consider meditating quietly a "ritual". So, it wouldnt really cost money.

But, creating magic items − especially consumable magic items − might cost money for the item itself that will be magicked.

 

[tetrasodium]

By the way,

I hope − beg, plead − to rethink spells that have a "costly" gold-piece component. There are various concepts of innate magic in D&D, and none of them make sense when forced to spend money to cast a spell.

Obliterate the costly component from the spell descriptions.

having a table of 3-5 standard components with prices for them that spells just use (ie 1 pinch of $thing1/4 pounds of $thing two/etc) rather than every spell having a unique costly component would indeed be nice & allow economic changes along with room for reward without needing to dig into specific spells or make a bunch of changes. Spells can still require unique components but it would be a chest & ## pounds of daanvii quartz or whatever for leomund's secret chest instead of a 5000gp chest & a 50gp chest

 

[GMforPowergamers]

having a table of 3-5 standard components with prices for them that spells just use (ie 1 pinch of $thing1/4 pounds of $thing two/etc) rather than every spell having a unique costly component would indeed be nice & allow economic changes along with room for reward without needing to dig into specific spells or make a bunch of changes. Spells can still require unique components but it would be a chest & ## pounds of daanvii quartz or whatever for leomund's secret chest instead of a 5000gp chest & a 50gp chest

residum from 4e could come back

 

[Guest 7034872]

By the way,

I hope − beg, plead − to rethink spells that have a "costly" gold-piece component. There are various concepts of innate magic in D&D, and none of them make sense when forced to spend money to cast a spell.

Obliterate the costly component from the spell descriptions.

You bring up a really good point. What I've noticed since getting back into this in 2018 is that many DMs I've seen don't even pay attention to the material component cost of the various spells: it only comes up and gets enforced when one of the players mentions it or asks about it.