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<blockquote data-quote="AtomicPope" data-source="post: 6582002" data-attributes="member: 64790"><p>The argument that "immunity to magic" means "immunity to Wall Spells" has come up in every edition and has been shot down in every edition. I remember decades ago when this was brought up in 1e and a decade ago when it was brought up again in 3e. Fifth Edition will not be any different.</p><p></p><p>Monster Immunities are described on pg 8 of the Monster Manual. It makes it clear that immunity to damage, conditions, and game effects (anything that isn't considering damage or a condition) are not the same thing. Furthermore, granting immunity to game effects requires a "special trait" that will list the game effect the creature is immune to. The Rakshasa's "Limited Magic Immunity" grants no immunity to game effects since immunity applies to damage and conditions, but not game effects. Therefore, a Rakshasa would be immune to the Cold Damage caused by a Wall of Ice, but it couldn't walk through said Ice Wall since the Wall of Ice is described as an "object," which is a game effect as found on page 185 of the Player's Handbook. A spell that Restrains the Rakshasa like Evard's Black Tentacles wouldn't work because Restrained is a Condition, nor would it cause bludgeoning damage since immunity applies to damage. Fog Cloud would still affect a Rakshasa because Fog Cloud creates a game effect (area is heavily obscured). Immunity to Fog Cloud would be a "special trait" such as Blindsight or Tremorsense and be listed separately as described on pg 8 of the Monster Manual.</p><p></p><p>Summary:</p><p>Damage? Is immune</p><p>Conditions? Is immune</p><p>Game Effects? Is not immune</p><p></p><p>Wall Spells create objects which are game effects, normal rules apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AtomicPope, post: 6582002, member: 64790"] The argument that "immunity to magic" means "immunity to Wall Spells" has come up in every edition and has been shot down in every edition. I remember decades ago when this was brought up in 1e and a decade ago when it was brought up again in 3e. Fifth Edition will not be any different. Monster Immunities are described on pg 8 of the Monster Manual. It makes it clear that immunity to damage, conditions, and game effects (anything that isn't considering damage or a condition) are not the same thing. Furthermore, granting immunity to game effects requires a "special trait" that will list the game effect the creature is immune to. The Rakshasa's "Limited Magic Immunity" grants no immunity to game effects since immunity applies to damage and conditions, but not game effects. Therefore, a Rakshasa would be immune to the Cold Damage caused by a Wall of Ice, but it couldn't walk through said Ice Wall since the Wall of Ice is described as an "object," which is a game effect as found on page 185 of the Player's Handbook. A spell that Restrains the Rakshasa like Evard's Black Tentacles wouldn't work because Restrained is a Condition, nor would it cause bludgeoning damage since immunity applies to damage. Fog Cloud would still affect a Rakshasa because Fog Cloud creates a game effect (area is heavily obscured). Immunity to Fog Cloud would be a "special trait" such as Blindsight or Tremorsense and be listed separately as described on pg 8 of the Monster Manual. Summary: Damage? Is immune Conditions? Is immune Game Effects? Is not immune Wall Spells create objects which are game effects, normal rules apply. [/QUOTE]
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