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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 8062365" data-attributes="member: 6932123">Skipped a bunch of pages, but....More crunch on social, yes.&nbsp; Take a look at Lace and Steel, which essentially has a full combat system in repartee.&nbsp; I'm not sure the same can be done for exploration, but it'd be an interesting exercise.Though on the question of 'crunch', make sure that that doesn't mean &quot;more modifiers that you have to account for on every single action&quot;. Going the direction of Pathfinder/PF2 would be a hard fail, to me.On a personal level, strip out all spells that nullify the point of any other characters using their own skills.&nbsp; Reevaluate them carefully before adding them back in.Movement in combat is mostly a failure. There's a reason 5E combat almost always devolves to &quot;stand there and hit each other in the face until one of you fall down&quot;.&nbsp; This isn't an easy problem to solve, but it needs something.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 8062365, member: 6932123"] Skipped a bunch of pages, but.... More crunch on social, yes. Take a look at [i]Lace and Steel[/i], which essentially has a full combat system in repartee. I'm not sure the same can be done for exploration, but it'd be an interesting exercise. Though on the question of 'crunch', make sure that that doesn't mean "more modifiers that you have to account for on every single action". Going the direction of Pathfinder/PF2 would be a hard fail, to me. On a personal level, strip out all spells that nullify the point of any other characters using their own skills. Reevaluate them carefully before adding them back in. Movement in combat is mostly a failure. There's a reason 5E combat almost always devolves to "stand there and hit each other in the face until one of you fall down". This isn't an easy problem to solve, but it needs [i]something[/i]. [/QUOTE]

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