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What happens with reliable multi-target powers?
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<blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4298895" data-attributes="member: 59219"><p>But I do think this is yet another instance of sloppy work...and frankly, while I personally think that the intent should be for any single hit to count as a use of the power, the RAW ARE ambiguous, particularly for something that gives multiple strikes.</p><p></p><p>It could be argued that the intent WAS to have it not be used up if ANY attacks miss - - because if you have five valid targets, and only HIT one, it's not that impressive of a power, and therefore maybe the intent was that you don't expend it until you get a 'worthy' use of it. Otherwise you could 'waste' this power on only one attack. </p><p></p><p>Do I personally think that's what was meant? No, but it could be argued that way and WOTC should have taken more care.</p><p></p><p>As far as dismissing the argument because it would inspire a fighter to WANT to miss, while wanting to miss makes no sense, we've seen with Orcus that there are powers that cause the user to desire a miss (Orcus can do far more damage on a miss with one power than a hit).</p><p></p><p>Again, we can argue about intent, but as written it's sloppy and subject to interpretation/misinterpretation.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Also, if we're speaking of INTENT, then it would appear to me that the entire INTENT of the 'reliable' property is to avoid a situation where the outcome of the use of these more rare abilities is lame. I know people are claiming that they would rule the RAI and ANY hit uses it up - - - I wouldn't go so far as to say that ONE miss retains it, but I might rule that if you don't get at least TWO hits then you keep the use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phloog, post: 4298895, member: 59219"] But I do think this is yet another instance of sloppy work...and frankly, while I personally think that the intent should be for any single hit to count as a use of the power, the RAW ARE ambiguous, particularly for something that gives multiple strikes. It could be argued that the intent WAS to have it not be used up if ANY attacks miss - - because if you have five valid targets, and only HIT one, it's not that impressive of a power, and therefore maybe the intent was that you don't expend it until you get a 'worthy' use of it. Otherwise you could 'waste' this power on only one attack. Do I personally think that's what was meant? No, but it could be argued that way and WOTC should have taken more care. As far as dismissing the argument because it would inspire a fighter to WANT to miss, while wanting to miss makes no sense, we've seen with Orcus that there are powers that cause the user to desire a miss (Orcus can do far more damage on a miss with one power than a hit). Again, we can argue about intent, but as written it's sloppy and subject to interpretation/misinterpretation. EDIT: Also, if we're speaking of INTENT, then it would appear to me that the entire INTENT of the 'reliable' property is to avoid a situation where the outcome of the use of these more rare abilities is lame. I know people are claiming that they would rule the RAI and ANY hit uses it up - - - I wouldn't go so far as to say that ONE miss retains it, but I might rule that if you don't get at least TWO hits then you keep the use. [/QUOTE]
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