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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 4299019" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>When you make an attack roll, if your roll is less than the target's Defense, you miss. That's the RAW. If you make a series of attack rolls, some of them will probably hit (triggering the effect that happens under "Hit"), and some of them will miss. As soon as one of them misses, the Reliable keyword triggers ("If you <em>miss while using</em> a Reliable power").</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, if you attack eight guys, and you hit with one attack roll and miss with the other seven, do you get to apply damage to all of them? You hit with the power, therefore you get to apply the Hit effect to the targets, right?</p><p></p><p>Sorry, you're wrong. Powers do not "hit" and "miss." <em>Attack rolls</em> "hit" and "miss." If you make eight attack rolls in the course of using a power, you'll end up with a mix of hits and misses. Notice that the Reliable rule doesn't say "If the power misses," it says, "If you miss <em>while using</em> the power."</p><p></p><p>Of course, as others have said, the clear intent of the rule is otherwise, and I doubt anybody here is planning to run the game by RAW in this regard. But hopefully WotC will take note and bear this in mind when writing similar rules in future.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 4299019, member: 58197"] When you make an attack roll, if your roll is less than the target's Defense, you miss. That's the RAW. If you make a series of attack rolls, some of them will probably hit (triggering the effect that happens under "Hit"), and some of them will miss. As soon as one of them misses, the Reliable keyword triggers ("If you [i]miss while using[/i] a Reliable power"). So, if you attack eight guys, and you hit with one attack roll and miss with the other seven, do you get to apply damage to all of them? You hit with the power, therefore you get to apply the Hit effect to the targets, right? Sorry, you're wrong. Powers do not "hit" and "miss." [i]Attack rolls[/i] "hit" and "miss." If you make eight attack rolls in the course of using a power, you'll end up with a mix of hits and misses. Notice that the Reliable rule doesn't say "If the power misses," it says, "If you miss [i]while using[/i] the power." Of course, as others have said, the clear intent of the rule is otherwise, and I doubt anybody here is planning to run the game by RAW in this regard. But hopefully WotC will take note and bear this in mind when writing similar rules in future. [/QUOTE]
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