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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9262099" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>That and wonky saves are also a thing.</p><p> DC 15 or higher on +1 saves or lower are fairly brutal. They "fixed" them by save every round which is mostly a formality if it's a bad save or you're dead.</p><p></p><p> Hated it in 3E hated it here and 4E threw the baby out with the bath water.</p><p></p><p> Fixed I think.</p><p></p><p>1. Save or suck spells should be unreliable. Want to use them debuff the target. Or.....</p><p></p><p></p><p>2. Resort to spells that require attack rolls or direct damage. Or 3.</p><p></p><p>3. Spells with no save or attack required. Eg magic missile. Low damage or some other effect eg debuff.</p><p></p><p> So something like a reverse guiding bolt or 3.5 SR avoiding spells that dealt less damage like fireball.</p><p></p><p> Hold person. Hit target with deguiding bolt then throw hold person or fumble if it fails 75% of the time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 9262099, member: 6716779"] That and wonky saves are also a thing. DC 15 or higher on +1 saves or lower are fairly brutal. They "fixed" them by save every round which is mostly a formality if it's a bad save or you're dead. Hated it in 3E hated it here and 4E threw the baby out with the bath water. Fixed I think. 1. Save or suck spells should be unreliable. Want to use them debuff the target. Or..... 2. Resort to spells that require attack rolls or direct damage. Or 3. 3. Spells with no save or attack required. Eg magic missile. Low damage or some other effect eg debuff. So something like a reverse guiding bolt or 3.5 SR avoiding spells that dealt less damage like fireball. Hold person. Hit target with deguiding bolt then throw hold person or fumble if it fails 75% of the time. [/QUOTE]
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