What If.....

[Kai Lord]

ILM should still do the CGI (no offense, WETA, but if I see one more horde of MASSIVE™ sprites doing the Zerg rush, I'll puke).

WETA's CGI Gollum was far more impressive than ILM's Hulk and Yoda.

 

[John Crichton]

WETA's CGI Gollum was far more impressive than ILM's Hulk and Yoda.

I disagree. All 3 were equally impressive.

 

[Kai Lord]

I disagree. All 3 were equally impressive.

The Hulk was close, but Yoda was far, far inferior. Harry Potter's Dobby was very good though. I can't remember if he was ILM or not.

 

[John Crichton]

The Hulk was close, but Yoda was far, far inferior. Harry Potter's Dobby was very good though. I can't remember if he was ILM or not.

I actually have yet to see HP, believe it or not.

I liked Yoda, he was done very well. ILM has cut their teeth on Jurassic Park dinos and Jar-Jar Binks (Hey! No laughing!) which were both impressive as well. Gollum was done very well but not better than ILM stuff. We'll just have to agree to disagree - works for me.

 

[Kai Lord]

I actually have yet to see HP, believe it or not.

I liked Yoda, he was done very well. ILM has cut their teeth on Jurassic Park dinos and Jar-Jar Binks (Hey! No laughing!) which were both impressive as well. Gollum was done very well but not better than ILM stuff. We'll just have to agree to disagree - works for me.

No, its important that you see that you're wrong...j/k.

One thing that ILM has yet to do well is live actors on a CGI beast. Anakin riding that fat cow thing in the field and Padme on the beast in the arena were simply horrible.

WETA finally nailed the technique in ROTK with the deformed orc general on the warg, the Witch King on the fellbeast, and Legolas on the oliphant.

I'm not saying ILM isn't capable since AOTC is a full year and a half older than ROTK (a long time for CGI advancements), but just that they have yet to prove themselves.

 

[John Crichton]

One thing that ILM has yet to do well is live actors on a CGI beast. Anakin riding that fat cow thing in the field and Padme on the beast in the arena were simply horrible.

Anakin's cow ride was pretty bad. But Padme in the arena was fine and worked well. I'll have to watch that scene again but that effect never stood out before.

WETA finally nailed the technique in ROTK with the deformed orc general on the warg, the Witch King on the fellbeast, and Legolas on the oliphant.

Legolas on the oliphant was cool, but not flawless - it stood out. I will give you the fellbeasts and wargs. They were done very well. But there are more examples and therefore more chances to get that right in the LotR films. I can't fault SW or ILM for that. Also, there are simply more things to ride that are living in the LotR films.

Ah, another thing done well by ILM was the gungans riding those, uh, things that they ride going into the battle with the droids.

Star Wars/ILM has many other areas of CG that are great, take the cloner race, for example. And the clone troopers, every single one of them was CG as there is no existing clone trooper outfit used in the films. All I am saying is that they are equal. Both do their jobs very well, much to my delight and enjoyment.

I'm not saying ILM isn't capable since AOTC is a full year and a half older than ROTK (a long time for CGI advancements), but just that they have yet to prove themselves.

Thanks for making that point, I was going to say the same thing.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

Jackson didnt let the CGI overpower the movie. IT complimented it. Lucas made the mistake of having the CGI BECOME the movie. This is why i'd like to see Jackson at the SW helm.

John, I would VERY much appreciate a link to the spot on the official starwars site that says the books are not cannon.

If its there, i'll concede the point. If its not......well, i'll stick to what i've read and belive.

 

[Greyhawk_DM]

I disagree. All 3 were equally impressive.

I disagree with your disagreement.
Gollum and Yoda were I would say about equal in terms of the digital effects.
The Hulk just plain sucked.

Later...

 

[Welverin]

John, I would VERY much appreciate a link to the spot on the official starwars site that says the books are not cannon.

If its there, i'll concede the point. If its not......well, i'll stick to what i've read and belive.

I'd bet you're confusing canon with continuity.

The movies are the only things that are canon.

Here's the official line.

But basically when something is canon it’s the official version and the only one that is right, if something else conflicts with it then that something is wrong.

All of the EU material is part of continuity, but that just means that it’s part of the same universe.

As for PJ directing some mythical future SW movies, hell no, same goes for WETA doing the special effects.

 

[John Crichton]

Jackson didnt let the CGI overpower the movie. IT complimented it. Lucas made the mistake of having the CGI BECOME the movie. This is why i'd like to see Jackson at the SW helm.

John, I would VERY much appreciate a link to the spot on the official starwars site that says the books are not cannon.

If its there, i'll concede the point. If its not......well, i'll stick to what i've read and belive.

It seems that I was partially in error. The novelizations of the films aren't canon either. Oops. Just the films.

http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20010817.html

I'm curious if the "Clone Wars" shorts will become (or are already) canon.

EDIT: Welverin posted the same link while I was looking for other links.

Check this out. It's confusing but interesting and says basically the same thing.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWCanonquotes.html