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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8986589" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>British people can do that level of seriousness - c.f. Excalibur, I mean, some of the Merlin scenes have a bit more lightness but Nicol Williamson (who used to chat with my mum btw lol) isn't taking it to British silliness.</p><p></p><p>Similarly British people like Danny Boyle and Alex Garland can write and direct unwinking, fully serious SF movies and I imagine they could do the same with fantasy if they chose to engage with it.</p><p></p><p>The amazing cod-philosophy stuff that kind of propels Conan is very American though - the final script was an amazing mash-up of right-wing libertarian John Milius (who most people will be de facto familiar with via The Big Lebowski, John Goodman's character is directly inspired by him, right down his appearance), and raging far-left liberal Oliver Stone (!!!) both riffing off ideas present or implied (to them!) in REH's work. Stone wrote the original script and then Milius modified it, but it seems like a lot of Stone's ideas survive (and many of the modifications were to get the budget down - it was initially estimated based on Stone's script at $40m, which in 1981, in movie-making terms, is like $250m now (not going just on inflation of the dollar, but on inflation of how much movies cost to make).</p><p></p><p>(Milius is a fascinating character generally, Dirty Harry - which he wrote and directed - is often seen as a very right-wing movie - not entirely unreasonably, though Overton window shifts make it pretty centrist by 2020s standards. However the sequel, which Milius also wrote and directed, is a reaction to criticism of his movie as supporting murderous cops, and features Harry having to kill a whole bunch of cops who think it's okay to murder people they know are guilty - it's a more violent and honest precursor the whole "Punisher is mad with cops who idolize him" scene.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8986589, member: 18"] British people can do that level of seriousness - c.f. Excalibur, I mean, some of the Merlin scenes have a bit more lightness but Nicol Williamson (who used to chat with my mum btw lol) isn't taking it to British silliness. Similarly British people like Danny Boyle and Alex Garland can write and direct unwinking, fully serious SF movies and I imagine they could do the same with fantasy if they chose to engage with it. The amazing cod-philosophy stuff that kind of propels Conan is very American though - the final script was an amazing mash-up of right-wing libertarian John Milius (who most people will be de facto familiar with via The Big Lebowski, John Goodman's character is directly inspired by him, right down his appearance), and raging far-left liberal Oliver Stone (!!!) both riffing off ideas present or implied (to them!) in REH's work. Stone wrote the original script and then Milius modified it, but it seems like a lot of Stone's ideas survive (and many of the modifications were to get the budget down - it was initially estimated based on Stone's script at $40m, which in 1981, in movie-making terms, is like $250m now (not going just on inflation of the dollar, but on inflation of how much movies cost to make). (Milius is a fascinating character generally, Dirty Harry - which he wrote and directed - is often seen as a very right-wing movie - not entirely unreasonably, though Overton window shifts make it pretty centrist by 2020s standards. However the sequel, which Milius also wrote and directed, is a reaction to criticism of his movie as supporting murderous cops, and features Harry having to kill a whole bunch of cops who think it's okay to murder people they know are guilty - it's a more violent and honest precursor the whole "Punisher is mad with cops who idolize him" scene.) [/QUOTE]
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