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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6857514" data-attributes="member: 996">I'll say the opposite:  the fighter came alive with 3.0 in a way it had never come close to before.  It wasn't until the Essentials Slayer that it was beaten back down to boredom-inducing beatstick.Subjectivity is only that theoretically absolute in philosophy (and quantum physics, but I repeat myself).  We go much further down this path, you'll be invoking Solipsism. Yeah, if it wasn't for the 80s Satanism scare D&D might not have gotten as popular as it did.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Dena, the young (at the time, but older than me) lady who was basically my D&D mentor, was standing in line to see a movie with some other D&D-playing friends one day, and she described how her character had taken down someone who tried to jump her.  In the first person.  An older woman standing line in front of her turned around with a horrified expression, and she had to hurriedly try to explain what D&D was, and that she had not inadvertently confessed to a crime...  Really, D&D had barely been compatible with itself prior to 2e.  It was really pretty messy, and '2e' is a misnomer, since there had already been Original D&D, 3 major supplements that significantly re-worked it, Basic D&D meant to lead into AD&D, a different Basic D&D that led into the Expert Set and was followed by more boxed sets later (BECMI), and, the 0D&D purists answer to AD&D and arguably first retro-clone, the copyright-violating Arduin Grimoire (the Pathfinder of the 80s).  Let's just say backwards compatibility wasn't a big selling point.It was the edition war, they were going off on anything/everything but mostly nothing.But, 2e was the first edition of D&D that looked really slick & professional.  And it got away from EGG's overwrought college-reading-level prose.  So good presentation and art were among it's positives, along with the wealth of settings, of course.</blockquote>

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