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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6858916" data-attributes="member: 42582">To answer the second question - I think in 4e you'll struggle a bit, or at least will have to drift the system in various ways. For instance, as written magic items aren't something you win, but something you accrue - which mightn't work for your roguish game. Also, as written combat tends towards the florid and overt rather than the subtle and covert - which mightn't work for your roguish game either. There are things that can be done to change both these things a bit (various 4e players have posted various options and approaches over the years), but I think I've given a fair description of the default.As to your first question: personally I like a game that knows what it wants to do and does it well. If it doesn't do what I'm looking for, I'll find something else. Not everyone looks at games the same way, though.If I wanted to do roguish anti-heroes using a version of D&D I'd probably adapt 1st ed AD&D and insist that every character be a multi-classed thief.</blockquote>