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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ZzarkLinux" data-source="post: 6860997" data-attributes="member: 77932">Saelorn, what you say sounds very complex!I agree. 2e had lots of novels that were written specifically based on the game mechanics. I guess 3e kept trend roughly the same. Over at GitP forum I still see people trying to stat out Elminster in the novels. Or how Rich deliberately hides the Class of some of the NPCs in the story, which drives some readers mad. Have you ever tried to tie the 2e mechanics back to protagonists in the novels?So 2e "Level" was a general indicator to track of increasing HP and Attack Bonus. Which I suppose can mean "general martial-threat from a person of that class". So I have a few questions:- In your 2e games, could your PC learn the Class of the enemy character?- In your 2e games, could your PC learn the Level of the enemy character?- Does this formula " Level = HitDice join BAB" get ignored for caster classes?- Do you think it is viable to calculate the Challenge Rating for an individual PC?- How do you feel on existing classes or monsters that may break this system? Like 5e Intellect Devourer, which is supposedly a level 2 monster that can SaveOrDie Level 20 martial classes? Would it bother you if these exceptions were to exist in your 2e game?- What about THACO? Is it possible to model 2e setting-mechanics without THACO?This can be said of Challenge Rating for me, which is why I dislike CR in general. "The utility of the CR system as an objective resolution engine" is nil IMO. I feel like CR can only really reflect the amagalam of HP and BAB, because spells, skills, and feats will wildly vary in the monster anyway. So CR just becomes a redundant way to calculate a monster's level.I think 4e fans already decided that the value of that "2e global class-based martial-only HP BAB resolution system" is already dimished, so we jumped to 4e or other systems. But I'm curious:- Do you feel that 5e "acceptably matches" this model of "martial-based levelling mechanics found in 2e settings"?- Do you think that WotC can marry the D&D Brand to "2e Setting-Specific Resolution" and still attract new gamers?</blockquote>

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