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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7189283" data-attributes="member: 6775031">Pathfinder is an off-shoot of third edition, which is half-way between first edition and fifth edition, and it shows. If you recall your AD&amp;D days, there were quite a lot of monsters and traps against which most characters were useless. A ghoul could touch you, and your paralysis would be measured in ten-minute turns. A rot grub could touch you, and you just die, end of story. Pathfinder didn't invent the concept of making a character useless, but it was strongly-involved in toning those things down to a reasonable level.The thing to remember about 3E, and Pathfinder by extension, is that everything is quantified... but the numbers start to get polarized as you get to high levels. Remember, this is the first time they've tried this statistical approach where so many factors can be included, so they hadn't quite worked out the math yet. When you get to very high levels, a character is nearly-indomitable at whatever they're built for and nearly-worthless outside of that. Saving throw DCs quickly outpace saving throw bonuses, unless you specifically build for it. Armor Class is practically worthless, unless that's your gimmick. You have to know a lot about the system mechanics in order to understand how to build a character that works.That still doesn't excuse them giving you a pre-gen character who didn't have a dagger.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7189283, member: 6775031"] Pathfinder is an off-shoot of third edition, which is half-way between first edition and fifth edition, and it shows. If you recall your AD&D days, there were quite a lot of monsters and traps against which most characters were useless. A ghoul could touch you, and your paralysis would be measured in ten-minute turns. A rot grub could touch you, and you just die, end of story. Pathfinder didn't invent the concept of making a character useless, but it was strongly-involved in toning those things down to a reasonable level. The thing to remember about 3E, and Pathfinder by extension, is that everything is quantified... but the numbers start to get polarized as you get to high levels. Remember, this is the first time they've tried this statistical approach where so many factors can be included, so they hadn't quite worked out the math yet. When you get to very high levels, a character is nearly-indomitable at whatever they're built for and nearly-worthless outside of that. Saving throw DCs quickly outpace saving throw bonuses, unless you specifically build for it. Armor Class is practically worthless, unless that's your gimmick. You have to know a lot about the system mechanics in order to understand how to build a character that works. That still doesn't excuse them giving you a pre-gen character who didn't have a dagger. [/QUOTE]

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