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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 8354059" data-attributes="member: 6716779">The magic items don't matter that much lower level and are easily duplicated by spells from a primary caster. &nbsp;The magic items do get interesting that's when every artificer can make a semi decent skirmisher. &nbsp;They don't get enough spells to do much, the spell list has a bit of utility but so do primary casters. &nbsp;And the other two half casters can deal buckets of damage which most artificers struggle with. &nbsp;I can take pretty much any cleric, accomplish pretty much the same thing, deal more damage, and be a primary cast and better at buffing/healing etc. &nbsp;So even at things artificers may be good at they're outclassed. &nbsp;If a campaign hands out extra items that's kinda cool but they can't really attune that many more anyway until the higher levels but that's not when artificers need the help. &nbsp;When the average game wraps up around level 7 and probably done by level 10 becoming ok at 10 and decent later is way to late.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 8354059, member: 6716779"] The magic items don't matter that much lower level and are easily duplicated by spells from a primary caster. The magic items do get interesting that's when every artificer can make a semi decent skirmisher. They don't get enough spells to do much, the spell list has a bit of utility but so do primary casters. And the other two half casters can deal buckets of damage which most artificers struggle with. I can take pretty much any cleric, accomplish pretty much the same thing, deal more damage, and be a primary cast and better at buffing/healing etc. So even at things artificers may be good at they're outclassed. If a campaign hands out extra items that's kinda cool but they can't really attune that many more anyway until the higher levels but that's not when artificers need the help. When the average game wraps up around level 7 and probably done by level 10 becoming ok at 10 and decent later is way to late. [/QUOTE]

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