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<blockquote data-quote="Intense_Interest" data-source="post: 4276450" data-attributes="member: 65904">Well then Hello Again to you, Wayoftheearth.&nbsp; I hope someday we may be familiar with each-other to skip the formalities.I was so sick of the lack of function within the &quot;3E&quot; system that I've been playing nigh-diceless (deck-random) Spycraft and/or Spycraft 2E for the past 3 years.&nbsp; The expectation is what you build.&nbsp; If 3E had ever came close to being a working system I would have played it.And if you believe what made &quot;D&amp;D&quot; was anything but &quot;Adventures go into places like Dungeons and they face monsters like Dragons; who they fight and then gain Levels and Loot&quot;, you are objectively wrong.&nbsp; Its not an opinion thing.&nbsp; My post that you've glossed over already broke down this argument.Cops and Robbers, right.&nbsp; Except &quot;Cops and Robbers&quot; doesn't have any form until someone actually plays it.&nbsp; The Form is what you make it.It's a Participant-molded game.&nbsp; An engine that works for the Cops and Robbers game is still nothing until the Players make it a Cops and Robbers game, at which point it is everything those players want from a Cops and Robbers game.You're just not making the DC to your Effort check at the moment.And I still think you're wrong, and you've avoided anything but proving my point correct.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Intense_Interest, post: 4276450, member: 65904"] Well then Hello Again to you, Wayoftheearth. I hope someday we may be familiar with each-other to skip the formalities. I was so sick of the lack of function within the "3E" system that I've been playing nigh-diceless (deck-random) Spycraft and/or Spycraft 2E for the past 3 years. The expectation is what you build. If 3E had ever came close to being a working system I would have played it. And if you believe what made "D&D" was anything but "Adventures go into places like Dungeons and they face monsters like Dragons; who they fight and then gain Levels and Loot", you are objectively wrong. Its not an opinion thing. My post that you've glossed over already broke down this argument. Cops and Robbers, right. Except "Cops and Robbers" doesn't have any form until someone actually plays it. The Form is what you make it. It's a Participant-molded game. An engine that works for the Cops and Robbers game is still nothing until the Players make it a Cops and Robbers game, at which point it is everything those players want from a Cops and Robbers game. You're just not making the DC to your Effort check at the moment. And I still think you're wrong, and you've avoided anything but proving my point correct. [/QUOTE]

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