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<blockquote data-quote="Kaisoku" data-source="post: 4280351" data-attributes="member: 58447">There is a difference between saying that it's geared for a particular demographic that is less &quot;table-top gamer&quot;, and saying that it's for casuals or juvenile.It's also not necessarily a &quot;wrong&quot; way of playing the game.This is what I mean...Someone that plays World of Warcraft might enjoy the multitude of combinations of powers and stackable effects, and like to min-max the particular aspects of the game. Hell, I'll admit.. I play WoW and enjoy that aspect from time to time.However, that's quite a bit different from the &quot;table-top gamer&quot;. Sure you have the min-maxing side... but there's a heckuva lot more Roleplaying, imagination and creativity involved, and usually a lot less &quot;cool powers&quot; and &quot;big numbers&quot;.4e feels like a definite move more towards the &quot;cool powers&quot; side of things. To give the perfect example.. &quot;Gabe&quot; from Penny Arcade, the pokemon playing, WoW loving, dice hating person, has started playing with &quot;Tycho&quot;, the consummate D&amp;D player in 4e.Sure, it started with the WoW card game as a doorway to harder &quot;table-tops&quot; (heh), but he's there playing it now and enjoying it.The fact that &quot;Tycho&quot; is there playing it with him and enjoying it means 4e is highly likely not the doom-and-gloom that people say it is for the old fart D&amp;D player.However, it really really is a change in demographic from before. 3e was a change in demographic too in it's day. It brought back a lot of the older D&amp;D players to the game after the long haitus.. but also is attracted/created the simulationist (I hate that word) gamer as well.Now 4e is doing it's own thing, and finding it's own people. It's definitely a change.It's not necessarily bad.. but it would be hard to dispute the change itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kaisoku, post: 4280351, member: 58447"] There is a difference between saying that it's geared for a particular demographic that is less "table-top gamer", and saying that it's for casuals or juvenile. It's also not necessarily a "wrong" way of playing the game. This is what I mean... Someone that plays World of Warcraft might enjoy the multitude of combinations of powers and stackable effects, and like to min-max the particular aspects of the game. Hell, I'll admit.. I play WoW and enjoy that aspect from time to time. However, that's quite a bit different from the "table-top gamer". Sure you have the min-maxing side... but there's a heckuva lot more Roleplaying, imagination and creativity involved, and usually a lot less "cool powers" and "big numbers". 4e feels like a definite move more towards the "cool powers" side of things. To give the perfect example.. "Gabe" from Penny Arcade, the pokemon playing, WoW loving, dice hating person, has started playing with "Tycho", the consummate D&D player in 4e. Sure, it started with the WoW card game as a doorway to harder "table-tops" (heh), but he's there playing it now and enjoying it. The fact that "Tycho" is there playing it with him and enjoying it means 4e is highly likely not the doom-and-gloom that people say it is for the old fart D&D player. However, it really really is a change in demographic from before. 3e was a change in demographic too in it's day. It brought back a lot of the older D&D players to the game after the long haitus.. but also is attracted/created the simulationist (I hate that word) gamer as well. Now 4e is doing it's own thing, and finding it's own people. It's definitely a change. It's not necessarily bad.. but it would be hard to dispute the change itself. [/QUOTE]

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