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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9355138" data-attributes="member: 58172">Well 3e and 4e, so that is 14 years of the D&amp;D Elf clearly lacking Darkvision.The main feeling is. There is too much Darkvision. Also, Darkvision is boring, but could be interesting if rare.Most Elf cultures have nothing to do with Darkvision, and it is weird from them to have it.Probably the ONLY elven cultures that would benefit from Darkvision are the Uda Drow culture (but not Aeven or Loren Drow cultures), and ... maybe ... the Wood culture if actually nocturnal hunters but seems they arent.My argument is the Human-Elf lacks a need for special mechanics, when the 2024 method can reproduce the 2014 mechanics. I am in favor of the DMs Guide facilitating species trait swaps for various reasons, including multispecies characters. I would love for swaps to be in the Players Handbook but this requires rigorous balancing. (The Swordcoast setting Half-Elf swaps were laughably unbalanced.)My argument is also that there would be no change in trait, only in the method of gaining the trait. Darkvision should be a 2024 cantrip, and for character concepts where Darkvision might make sense the player can use one of the Elf cantrips to have it. But other Elves shouldnt have it, and can pick a cantrip that makes more sense.The fact that the Elf of recent D&amp;D editions lacks Darkvision emphasizes how unnecessary it is for the Elf species to have it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9355138, member: 58172"] Well 3e and 4e, so that is 14 years of the D&D Elf clearly lacking Darkvision. The main feeling is. There is too much Darkvision. Also, Darkvision is boring, but could be interesting if rare. Most Elf cultures have nothing to do with Darkvision, and it is weird from them to have it. Probably the ONLY elven cultures that would benefit from Darkvision are the Uda Drow culture (but not Aeven or Loren Drow cultures), and ... maybe ... the Wood culture if actually nocturnal hunters but seems they arent. My argument is the Human-Elf lacks a need for special mechanics, when the 2024 method can reproduce the 2014 mechanics. I am in favor of the DMs Guide facilitating species trait swaps for various reasons, including multispecies characters. I would love for swaps to be in the Players Handbook but this requires rigorous balancing. (The Swordcoast setting Half-Elf swaps were laughably unbalanced.) My argument is also that there would be no change in trait, only in the method of gaining the trait. Darkvision should be a 2024 cantrip, and for character concepts where Darkvision might make sense the player can use one of the Elf cantrips to have it. But other Elves shouldnt have it, and can pick a cantrip that makes more sense. The fact that the Elf of recent D&D editions lacks Darkvision emphasizes how unnecessary it is for the Elf species to have it. [/QUOTE]

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